Happy Pride Month!

[Cheeseycereal 829]

back in my days of MCRP servers they'd call people slurs in roleplay and then slap them... boy of boy... we're in THE PROGRESSIVE  OF THE CRAFT!!! 

[Rig 17580]

5 minutes ago, Crevel said:

 

People have varying ideas of what is questionable and where the boundary is and should be drawn though, and oftentimes there are some questionable racial themes on LotC that have been or can be used to make an interesting roleplay environment even if in some regard it does parallel IRL discrimination. Racial conflicts do exist. Stereotypes do exist. Some races holding a social status over others in nations do exist. Some themes are unpleasant when addressed in the real world, but this is meant to be a fantasy roleplay where oftentimes inspiration is taken from real-world events to some degree to put forward an interesting narrative. Some of the most beloved fantasy works in real life take inspiration from the unpleasantness of human nature. You can't have a "brand new creative and innovative experience" by restricting creative freedoms, it just became a censored "safe and cozy" experience that you'd find in any heavily-censored platform. I think there needs to be better care taken to try to punish roleplay that is done in a way that seems it is purposefully trying to create offence at real-world groups rather than taken inspiration from ways discrimination, segregation, etc. has been implemented throughout human history.

 

You can be a bigot in role-play without giving the person character bleed by forcing them to participate in things which are not "gamified" experiences. AKA, things which might force them to relive personal trauma, things which might make their game-play experience overwhelmingly worse. This is also why we omit other forms of RP that are too dark for the server. These were already technically reportable offenses, the difference is it's directly citeable now in the rules!

[Mescaffier 6197]

let me preface this with: I'm very openly queer in orientation & gendah

 

 

Banning homophobic RP entirely is sort of silly? Of course, people have been shitty and RP'd it solely for OOC motives. I've seen it, but I've also seen them get rightfully hated out of whatever community they're in and, very often, banned for harassment. Just the type of people who do that RP.

 

However, it's also been a big part of some of mine, and friend's, and other peoples', characters' arcs. i.e., I had a noble gov character who had internalized homophobia because of how he was raised and hid his relationship with another man in the government for DECADEEES out of shame, it led to some interesting drama and development as people. I've also had characters who were genuinely hateful, some of them pivoted and became accepting because they had family, or friends, that were gay.

 

With how certain cultures in roleplay are (wether it's religious, familial, etc), it's natural for hatred of certain things to exist (besides human subrace racism, that was always weird), and I think while it's definitely in good spirit ban it, it's also just an attempt at a big fix-all "we don't think the players can handle this nuance, so it can no longer exist". At what point is it catering too much to people who really ought to step back and take a breather? I say we shrimply beat all the ooc homophobes to death😍💓 anywho slay the month away my brothers and sisters

 

(and imho sexism rp is infinitely more annoying and evil to deal with than any homophobic rp I've encountered. put a girl on .. these rule discussions! srsly!!)

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@Narthok As someone who was raised strictly Roman Catholic and only deviated to the less-intense Christianity in my later years, I promise you that you can roleplay Canonism without being homophobic and transphobic. There is so much more to the Abrahamic religions than discriminating against LGBTQIA+ people.

[lemonke 6014]

3 minutes ago, Tide1 said:

The Empire supports all manners of gay people. I love men.

Maybe this empire isn't too bad. I serve emperah tide1

[scoobi 124]

3 minutes ago, Cheeseycereal said:

back in my days of MCRP servers they'd call people slurs in roleplay and then slap them... boy of boy... we're in THE PROGRESSIVE  OF THE CRAFT!!! 

yea you tell them cheesey!

[Nectorist 12869]

5 minutes ago, Josh3738 said:

 

We discussed including sexism at length in drafting up this rule. The way I've tended to put it is that, of these big 4, the first 3 are fairly easily definable. You'll know it when you see it kind of thinking. The 4th, sexism, has some more nuance to it, and we wanted to take some more time to think on it and refine this with its inclusion when we're done.

 

Okay chill. When I talk about sexism btw, I’m mostly referring to some of the rly egregious examples, like the “haha time to beat my wife” RP or people calling women “brood mares” constantly. Don’t really mean societal gender roles or friends joking around quite as much, which I understand can be more difficult to navigate when deciding what’s meriting a ban 

[Narthok 10416]

2 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@Narthok As someone who was raised strictly Roman Catholic and only deviated to the less-intense Christianity in my later years, I promise you that you can roleplay Canonism without being homophobic and transphobic. There is so much more to the Abrahamic religions than discriminating against LGBTQIA+ people.

Thank you for proving the inefficacy of your catechesis?

[mothsthetic 2250]

5 minutes ago, Tide1 said:

The Empire supports all manners of gay people. I love men.

that’s my emperor hell yeah

[Pancakehz 2279]

4 minutes ago, Velkuzat said:

let me preface this with: I'm very openly queer in orientation & gendah

 

 

Banning homophobic RP entirely is sort of silly? Of course, people have been shitty and RP'd it solely for OOC motives. I've seen it, but I've also seen them get rightfully hated out of whatever community they're in and, very often, banned for harassment. Just the type of people who do that RP.

 

However, it's also been a big part of some of mine, and friend's, and other peoples', characters' arcs. i.e., I had a noble gov character who had internalized homophobia because of how he was raised and hid his relationship with another man in the government for DECADEEES out of shame, it led to some interesting drama and development as people. I've also had characters who were genuinely hateful, some of them pivoted and became accepting because they had family, or friends, that were gay.

 

With how certain cultures in roleplay are (wether it's religious, familial, etc), it's natural for hatred of certain things to exist (besides human subrace racism, that was always weird), and I think while it's definitely in good spirit ban it, it's also just an attempt at a big fix-all "we don't think the players can handle this nuance, so it can no longer exist". At what point is it catering too much to people who really ought to step back and take a breather? I say we shrimply beat all the ooc homophobes to death😍💓 anywho slay the month away my brothers and sisters

 

(and imho sexism rp is infinitely more annoying and evil to deal with than any homophobic rp I've encountered. put a girl on .. these rule discussions! srsly!!)

can I spend all of my daily upvotes?

[Crevel 7557]

11 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

I’m sure people can still RP bigotry with nuance

 

The issue is in the vagueness of the mirroring rule which is what my main concern is. We've all been on LotC for years, so we all know that there are times where there are groups that are punished for one thing and others that are not punished for the same or similar thing because they survived by a differing interpretation of the rule, or it was stretched to get them banned. Any nuance is lost because the rules become a vehicle to be weaponised by those who want to use it as one. I've always been supportive of the wording aligning with and alongside the spirit of a rule in a context like this because the intention of why that rule exists to begin with is lost on those who have to enforce it months to years after. All I'd like is for more official clarification on what mirroring is in the rules so that there are more safeguards to prevent it from being misused

[Fluffy Horror 496]

I agree on the sexism tbh, there's no reason why it shouldn't be included in this list, sexism isn't more nuanced than racism or homophobia, it's just more socially acceptable.

Please ban the sexism, we need more women playing. And also?? More women in staff.

[Werew0lf 24180]

10 minutes ago, Tide1 said:

The Empire supports all manners of gay people. I love men.

 

ye then explain this @Navigator bait calling you homophobic?

 

[johnnydeath6 229]

did not think the basic idea "dont be an ******* to people who are different" would be this controversial. 

[TaraJess 2848]

29 minutes ago, Narthok said:

I don't appreciate my religion being defacto banned

 

There is nowhere listing the religions of the world and saying if they are banned or not. If you want to rp your religion, that is fine, there are people that do it. They are saying you cannot be an racist, transphobic, or sexist. If that is too much for you to handle, the good thing about LOTC is there are so many different kinds of people and communities, you do not have to be around people you do not like. These groups of people get enough shit irl, God forbid they get on a game to enjoy their freetime for a few hours without having to worry about their irl issues be something they also have to worry about irp. 

 

TLDR don't like them? don't rp with them. nobody is attacking your religion