Do you deserve transparency?

[Areon 947]

The Pinks and the Greens are the only ones we can trust.

[The Tough Guy 4319]

4 hours ago, MailC3p said:

weird some people have many friends who have been banned for "4+ years" But i've been on this server 8 years and my total bans probably count up to a month of total time and all of my combined friends is probably less. as stated by others it is extremely easy to just... yknow.. not break the rules. The case of @harfelur is a rare case that hardly does happen in the grand scheme of things and work should be done to prevent it from happening again, but if you're banned for 4+ years it's probably for a good reason and you should probably just go outside lowk

 

allat to add nothing to the convo mailcop going back on the forum power rankings excellently done

[Helmet 1454]

I think hamburgers and cheeseburgers go well with fries

[LobsterLarry 1514]

1 hour ago, Helmet said:

I think hamburgers and cheeseburgers go well with fries

**** you are so right brother. **** all this ban talk and chud twitter talk. lets just corposlop post while we eat crap.

[frvma 1014]

6 hours ago, Smmer said:

 hey so just once again, i’m not asking them to be honest about players bans to the public… im asking them to reply to the actual people banned… Im not asking them for anything personally.

 

Its a non issue for you i guess but as someone who friends keep being targeted or are kept on these bans, i got a dog in this fight. So im going to keep fighting on their behalf. They’re forum banned, who else is gonna stick up for them? 

Smmer my point is that if you think the banned player(s) deserves transparency and that admins falsely ban people to get them off the server than why would their transparency ever be honest to the banned player(s)? You are just creating a never ending cycle for yourself to continue to be mad at administration.

 

They're not really owed anything at the end of the day like the rest of us. None of us are owed anything by administration no matter what our personal opinions are on the matter.

 

It is a non-issue. If you truly believe you have friends that keep getting banned for "false reasons" and you want to stick up for them then you're just fighting a losing fight and wasting your own time, because you'd have to accept in your worldview that the admins would want to be honest to people you believe they fucked over falsely.

[CHARLES THE BALD 2615]

The truth about itdontmata's DPM ban goes deeper.

 

After a long day of travel, I checked in at my hotel in the great city of Chicago where the pope is from and soon departed for itdontmata's house.

 

At around one hour thirty minutes into a random day, I entered his house after breaking a window.

 

I found the spare phone he uses for authentication in his safe. I opened his PC and banned DPM's alt and posted on broadcast as a meme. While I was in his house, he was there watching all along. Instead of calling the police, he laughed about it and covered the whole thing up. Thank you itdontmata.

 

On the behalf of the admin team, I am sorry to DPM.

 

Edited March 25 by Charles The Bald

[Smmer 2441]

8 hours ago, frvma said:

Smmer my point is that if you think the banned player(s) deserves transparency and that admins falsely ban people to get them off the server than why would their transparency ever be honest to the banned player(s)? You are just creating a never ending cycle for yourself to continue to be mad at administration.

 

They're not really owed anything at the end of the day like the rest of us. None of us are owed anything by administration no matter what our personal opinions are on the matter.

 

It is a non-issue. If you truly believe you have friends that keep getting banned for "false reasons" and you want to stick up for them then you're just fighting a losing fight and wasting your own time, because you'd have to accept in your worldview that the admins would want to be honest to people you believe they fucked over falsely.

 

This post extends past my friends, if it was a selfish goalpost of mine to only benefit my friends currently banned i would’ve just dmd admins continuously, wouldn’t have made such a public statement because they make up only 4-5 of the bans, yet there are plenty of people outside of my circles who are banned without explanation. I care for them as well regardless of how they may see me or think of me, i’m not capable of bias when it comes to affairs like this, if you approach me with questions or grievances, I will see to it matters are resolved amicably even if you’re a stranger.  I have always for the last 4 years known I was in a losing fight. I don’t care. It’s amazing to me how compassion, sympathy, etiquette, manners and just all around the bare minimum of decency gets thrown out the window the minute we log into our computers. Kindness is a rare commodity on the server but it should be emphasized upon, I shouldn’t have to fight people to remind them of what they should’ve learnt in grade 1. How to be nice and help other people? I am not going to shrug off someone enduring years of false harassment and make them into some sort of statistic. I am not going to shrug off owed apologizes and garbage excuses. Sorry to say but I refuse to be a bully let alone be someone who stands in the background watching someone get dogpiled upon, I will do something that’s just my nature. I care to much. Despite every single on of my friends telling me to stop, that it isn’t worth it, that this server is irrelevant and nothing matters. I’m still here, willing and ready to help.  

 

So until a standard is upheld, a new rule enforced and implemented that prohibits administration from outright ignoring players, allowing them to keep people on cgv bans for years, I think 4 years has been enough time for someone to be reflective of their actions, and so this will be my fight I guess, for them and for others. For the bare minimum. I am okay with being the unpopular opinion because those opposed aren’t the guys i’m trying to help, they’ve made up their minds and I am okay with people equating this to a non issue, I am okay with people calling it “dumbass pixel drama” becuase they didn’t have to endure being mislabeled for years, let alone be banned and given silence despite them having the opportunity to appeal?. I am still going to continue dragging myself and name through the mud gladly and willingly because I have seen firsthand the consequences of their silence, I refuse to be idle and run the risk it happens to another person. People need to be held accountable, people need to own up to responsibilities that don’t need to be written out for them, they shouldn’t need guidelines in the first place yet here we are. Everyone who is able to appeal deserves answers. Always. 

[Onnensr 1908]

15 hours ago, Boujee Keia said:

obamna

[Turnipian 203]

[Agy 756]

15 hours ago, Ardory said:

 

Wait, hold on. If we started paying for a subscription do you think the server would get better?

I mean we already pay via VIP ranks, right?

 

[_xMika 284]

Yes if i was banned tomorrow, i would like to know the reason as to why i was banned. I feel like this is an extremely normal and lukewarm take to have, I've never been banned or punished in anyway myself, and i honestly thought that being told the reason for a ban was a standard, it just seemed obvious to me. If it isn't, then from an outsider's perspective it's concerning, i understand that things can be complicated though.

[Chimeraof1999 1187]

I hope Harfleur is okay with me saying this.

 

When Harfleur was falsely banned by admins (no investigation, no reasoning) as the alleged victim was actively saying "Hey this person never did anything." They kept them banned. The problem with transparency I see, if you are banned for something it's a reflection. But often times, just like Harfleur, you get banned for not even doing anything and it was vindication from a person who had the ability to talk with someone in power. If your ban is something relating to PCV or TOS, then there is evidence of your ban and they have a right to ban you and not give you a reason, HOWEVER, evidence can be wrong. 

 

There is another question that needs to be asked here?

Is the ban sufficient enough to be transparent about? I.E "Is there enough evidence to give this person a ban so we don't need to give them a reason for it?" 

 

Mods are not perfect, Admins are not perfect, but if they keep messing up then it will become more than just the imperfection excuse but more genuine neglect.

@Anbennar

[DarkxWalker 249]

On 3/24/2026 at 7:32 PM, Smmer said:

Dpmagicians tos was also overturned and changed to a pcv after he endured years of harassment and called a pedofile

Irrespective of the situation at hand (got no context clues on DPM's original ToS ban), the dude is still a horrible person who exercises his freedom of speech to spread hatred towards people who do not line with his right-wing and fascist ideologies. I definitely lean conservative, but you do not see me enticing homophobic and transphobic comments (in the big 2026). I believe that even if his ban got overturned to a PCV one, he still shouldn't be given any leniency to come back to the server.

Alas, I digress, I believe that the general populace of bans should have mostly full transparency for what they could have done. Such as your vague post, Smmer, a lot of bans tend to be vague as well and without any coordination from the staff member, it's unreasonable to assume that a person can appeal their ban without any contact. Do I believe that we deserve transparency, not quite, but it would be more beneficial in the long term (irrespective of the ban label, unless it's a TOS).

[MayRndz 1830]

As a retrired mod manager idk wtf youre calling past managers out ab, we werent even privy to 80% of these types of bans.

[kuebiko 684]

On 3/24/2026 at 11:47 AM, Reece Nolan said:

Navigator is carrying the conversation with facts here, but Crevel by far has the best take.

 

An important factor to consider here is that LOTC moderation and administration isn't typically proactive with their handling of CGV or TOS players, at least from what I can tell and from those I've spoken to; These bans are supposedly triggered by one party approaching the staff with their evidence, who then does an investigation after everything has already been said and done. This means the accuser has complete free-reign to cherry pick their evidence to their hearts content and should staff be unable to find any evidence to the contrary, the accused is unable to defend themself and is permanently banned.

 

The reason this is rare, though, is because the types of people who get themselves CGV or TOS banned are rarely smart, they're manipulative, but not smart. I would say that staff are likely working with 1/2 to 2/3rds of the full picture in these kinds of bans, if the players involved weren't constantly committing their heinous acts in ways detectable by Omni or easily screenshot-able, screenshare-able, or record-able inside of a discord chat.

 

What has always been more heinous to me is how long they are able to get away with it, again because this system heavily requires someone to speak up first. This is a weakness of many corporations, but I've never seen it more exploited anywhere else in my life than I have in LOTC.

I'd like to repeat the sentiment that the system is flawed with how long it takes for harassment cases to result in any actual consequences, where the offense has to be repeated and reported by several parties.