A Grave Insult

[Indelwehn 55]

I look forward to seeing you both again!

[kalista 18]

which ever way you look at it, the orc is best off with his own kind, you have made him soft, turned him into your little pet, no matter how hard you try, he will still be better off with other orcs than the elves, if you really loved your son, and want what is best for him, let him live in krugmar

[Aerinyes 402]

There is still the matter of those that were hurt and threatened. Are we to let such slide?

Something must be done to ensure this event is not repeated. Other nations would have seen this as an act of war. However we are wiser then that. But something must be done. Otherwise what else is going to be stolen? Minas? Materials? Our homes? Our freedom?

[char615 41]

*Grunts*

*Spits*

*Slaps the closest thing near him, thinking about chicken*

[Yuln 265]

what else is going to be stolen? Minas? Materials? Our homes? Our freedom?

I would prefer to keep that last one...

[realslimshady 7]

In my experience with orcs, I have found most rather friendly and amusing. However, this incident can't help but remind me of their bad side. Despite what has happened, my opinion of the orcs will not change.

[Blawharag 277]

*clears his throat that he may better speak Oomie*

I find your sense of self entitlement to be annoying, Albai. The way I see it, you are NOT our allies. Allies come to the aid of their brothers, you hide in your trees and show up when the fight is done to help defend against routed foes.

*His voice is a low growl as he continues*

You find a Kub wandering the lands, he has been orphaned and it is up to him to survive the lands. When Kubs come of age in Orc society, they are either strong or they are weak. The strong are kept, the weak are cast out into the desert. If they survive they may return, but if they die they prove they are too weak to fend for themselves and are only a burden to the world. By saving him, you have insulted our culture, our traditions, and the world which we live in. You insult him by not giving him the mercy and honor of a well earned death. Instead you let him continue living a wretched existence as a burden to the world.

*His voice rises threateningly*

Then you have the gall to cry out against us for stealing the child? Craotor is a Dominus, and head of clan Lur. If he wishes to steal a child from a nation that we have some pact-of-weakness with, he can. If he wants to hurt and threaten you people, then come back to raid you for your minas, materials, homes, and freedom I will only support him. You are not our allies. You deserve none of our protection. What are you going to do to stop him? Show up with all you force after he has already left and the danger past? Sit down, shut up, and be glad he only took some runt kub too weak to be worth a damn.

[Ergent Seth 141]

*clears his throat that he may better speak Oomie*

I find your sense of self entitlement to be annoying, Albai. The way I see it, you are NOT our allies. Allies come to the aid of their brothers, you hide in your trees and show up when the fight is done to help defend against routed foes.

*His voice is a low growl as he continues*

You find a Kub wandering the lands, he has been orphaned and it is up to him to survive the lands. When Kubs come of age in Orc society, they are either strong or they are weak. The strong are kept, the weak are cast out into the desert. If they survive they may return, but if they die they prove they are too weak to fend for themselves and are only a burden to the world. By saving him, you have insulted our culture, our traditions, and the world which we live in. You insult him by not giving him the mercy and honor of a well earned death. Instead you let him continue living a wretched existence as a burden to the world.

*His voice rises threateningly*

Then you have the gall to cry out against us for stealing the child? Craotor is a Dominus, and head of clan Lur. If he wishes to steal a child from a nation that we have some pact-of-weakness with, he can. If he wants to hurt and threaten you people, then come back to raid you for your minas, materials, homes, and freedom I will only support him. You are not our allies. You deserve none of our protection. What are you going to do to stop him? Show up with all you force after he has already left and the danger past? Sit down, shut up, and be glad he only took some runt kub too weak to be worth a damn.

Does tradition really matter anymore? The world is falling apart, chaos is spreading it's roots. We either resolve this argument peacefully, or we fall in conflict. We cannot conflict anymore. If we do, we'll start crumbling slowly but surely. There has been nothing good at all, along with the leave of Native, the death of Mylas, the fall of Al'khazar and the north, a separate sect of orcs from Krugmar terrorizing the lands. In all honestly, we have no time to worry about the cub, nor for tradition to be a huge issue, to the current situation at hand. Again, Oren's close to falling, and Kal'Uruguan has been preparing for a war, the undead have been reigning while we argue with each other.

Please sirs, madames. Resolve this issue, as peacefully as possible, there is no need for animalistic tendencies. Right now, Death looms overhead, preying.

[Aerinyes 402]

First of all, a cub is an infant in Krugmar, a CHILD is an infant in Malinor. Had this child been orphaned in Krugmar, I might be inclined to agree with you. However the orphan was found in Malinor and is afforded all the protections and rights as a child in a Civilized land can offer.

Now you have the stones to threaten us further when we only seek wisdom, understanding, and the desire to continue our friendship. If your dominus returns with another raiding party, I can assure you he will leave Malinor on his face with an arrow in his back. Such is the way with those that anger and threaten Malin's children, and such is the will of Malin himself.

I see the mistake in my journey to Oren to call off the human advances. I should have watched Krugmar be crushed under the might of Oren and Kal'Urgan instead. It appears that the orcs cannot be trusted after all.

[VonEbs 1224]

This is an outrage, and a total insult to the elven race. I cannot believe why you would not call us your allies. Our inactivity in the recent war was due to Native's departure.

[Aerinyes 402]

The claims of inaction are false accusations. They are merely propaganda used by certain orcs of rogue clans to spur on the others into action against us.

We were involved in the conflicts at Krugmar and in Galahar during that short war. In addition we sought council with Oren to end the hostilities.

To say we at anytime failed to uphold the pact with Krugmar is a lie and an insult.

[KarmaDelta 969]

*Krymrau comes back

Do this again orcs and i will have to challenge the leader of that party......

No matter what happens they need to conduct themselves better. A little cub is nothing to get worked up about and might start a war....

I find this most insulting, as i say again, to both sides. If the orcs ever came to get him in the beginning and knew about him. Dont you just ask first before threats fly? We may be skinny and many other things but we can only take so much as i can see.

If this cub broke any pact and started a war this would have just made laugh.

So think before you act. For blood can spill so easily in these times.

[Ned Lud 1260]

Maybe latz need be reminded of da uruk bad side every once in a while, so dat latz know latz place in dis world.

Me not know what happened here, but da Warlord order am final. If him say da uruk nub fight, we nub fight. If him say da uruk fight, we fight. Us is not question why, us is do or die.

Da uruk can stand and fight dey own battles if need be, as Krug stood in defiance of Iblees on him own. Da rest ob latz can either klomp wit us or lay broken at us feet. It make no difference to da uruk. We am do what we do. Da Wardens has been only elven warriors me has seen in battle wit da uruk. Rest of dese tree-rat been hiding in dey holes counting dey acorns dis entire time, watching da world burn.

Dis cub was weak if latz ask me. Krug spit him from da desert into pile of leaves for reason. Maybe it were sense of honor dat drove dese uruk to claim him, but me say let da tree-rat have him, lest me crush him head wit rock on side of cliff.

[Aerinyes 402]

Again, more lies. The Vanguard has come to Krugmar's aid at least once before. And I should add that they were assaulted there as well. Merely because they responded to a request for aid BY Krugmar.

You don't wish us to fight with you, you only wish us to do whatever you want us to do. That is not respectand is not friendship. And further breaks the pact.

[craotor 617]

Hur hur da twig dink dey know more bout our war den we du.Hur hur me find dat amusing.Da twigs nub kome ta elp us when da dwarfves wit oren.Dey only sat in deir tress agh watch.Da wardens be heroes agh haz honor.Dey kome klomp by our side nub like da othars.

Me nevar saw da Vanguard kome elp uz.MAybe in one of da minor batle bu nub in da big ones.When we needed our allies lats nub kome elp.Why should we honor da agreement if lats nub du dat??