Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[Space 2335]

Now, now Space, calm the f--- down. We understand that you are some wannabee uber atheistic badass, but you're really not, you are being the exact same thing you claim to hate. Atheism, if you really look at it from an objective stand point is really nothing more then a religion of no deities. When something becomes a God in your life, it is when it occupies more then a healthy amount of a persons time and mind. People like you have allowed atheism to become their 'God' because really, you probably spend more time talking about God then I do, a practicing and devout Catholic. Let these pictures that came up on my Facebook wall sum it up:

(please note, I am in no way suggesting you are a fat, ugly basement nerd)

For the record, creation. I have yet to see any evidence that can sway me from my point.

I only regret that I care about you and other religious peoples scientific illiterateness. Or just stubborn faith.

[PtahWithin 1320]

Now, now Space, calm the f--- down. We understand that you are some wannabee uber atheistic badass, but you're really not, you are being the exact same thing you claim to hate. Atheism, if you really look at it from an objective stand point is really nothing more then a religion of no deities. When something becomes a God in your life, it is when it occupies more then a healthy amount of a persons time and mind. People like you have allowed atheism to become their 'God' because really, you probably spend more time talking about God then I do, a practicing and devout Catholic. Let these pictures that came up on my Facebook wall sum it up:

(please note, I am in no way suggesting you are a fat, ugly basement nerd)

For the record, creation. I have yet to see any evidence that can sway me from my point.

If Atheism is a religion, then not believing in Santa Claus is a fairy tale.

Anyway, I for one am not a 'militant' atheist. I don't care what people believe so long as I am not subject to their beliefs. I came to this debate thread to defend evolution, not explain why atheism is not a religion. So you are free to make another debate topic, but I fear that that would be the "one debate to rule them all", a debate about god, which the staff may not want to happen on these forums.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

You're 14 and calling me scientifically illiterate. What? I'm 16, I go to an expensive private school, I study physics, chemistry, EES, university level math, Religion and Life and English. You will actually find that a lot of religious people are very well educated. More so, just as you complain about us knocking on your doors and preaching, you are doing the exact same thing (albeit on the 'net). We don't want your care about our "scientific illiterateness", we want to be left in peace, but once again, the greatest and most misguided religion of the modern era, atheism, is unable to see its own hypocrisy.

@Ptah - my comment was a direct response to this.

Oh wait, that's all religions.

[PtahWithin 1320]

Space, where does religion and Mormons come into this debate?

[JtPv 140]

Space, where does religion and Mormons come into this debate?

They don't Ptah. But of course, it's here.

And Space, Atheism is very hypocritical. They claim to hate those Christians that shove their beliefs down everyone's throats, but they do the same exact thing. 1 religious person=500 atheists debating against him. If you fail to see that, your more retarded than how stupid you claim religious people are.

[Space 2335]

You're 14 and calling me scientifically illiterate. What? I'm 16, I go to an expensive private school, I study physics, chemistry, EES, university level math, Religion and Life and English. You will actually find that a lot of religious people are very well educated. More so, just as you complain about us knocking on your doors and preaching, you are doing the exact same thing (albeit on the 'net). We don't want your care about our "scientific illiterateness", we want to be left in peace, but once again, the greatest and most misguided religion of the modern era, atheism, is unable to see its own hypocrisy.

@Ptah - my comment was a direct response to this.

I'm saying, if you fail to see any evidence it's because you don't look deep enough. Or you're just indoctrinated.

Space, where does religion and Mormons come into this debate?

Mormonism is a religion, based off creationism. You sometimes gotta take out the limbs of the tree to get the trunk. Or something.

Also. This is important. People who blow themselves up for their 'god' need to be converted. You can't let that slide.

[PtahWithin 1320]

This is getting off topic. Make a new debate about God if you all feel so inclined.

[Dun_Irongut 104]

What's with all of the generalization? Atheists this... Deists that... If you're going to generalize a group, there's no point in debating. As a staunch agnostic-atheist, I see that religion does a lot of good in the world and provides a coping mechanism for those who cannot comprehend the multitude of atrocities committed in their life time. Please don't flame and in all reality, if you're insulted by scientific theory, than don't debate. The Church of Latter Day Saints, specifically, makes no sense to me and yet the Mormons who I've met seem to be the nicest people. But, I digress far too much, this debate in on Evolution vs. Creationism.

Evolution, if studied enough, is a tried and tested Scientific theory. My thoughts are if you aren't a scientist, don' purport to have the same level of knowledge. So my short response to this would be carbon dating is flawed, which is why it's not primarily used, the moon was not created at the same as the earth and the earth is clearly older than 6000 years. My question to the creationists here is simply...

Why are dinosaurs not mentioned in the bible, Old Testament or New?

(Sorry for spelling or grammar issues, typed this on my phone.)

[JtPv 140]

What's with all of the generalization? Atheists this... Deists that... If you're going to generalize a group, there's no point in debating. As a staunch agnostic-atheist, I see that religion does a lot of good in the world and provides a coping mechanism for those who cannot comprehend the multitude of atrocities committed in their life time. Please don't flame and in all reality, if you're insulted by scientific theory, than don't debate. The Church of Latter Day Saints, specifically, makes no sense to me and yet the Mormons who I've met seem to be the nicest people. But, I digress far too much, this debate in on Evolution vs. Creationism.

Evolution, if studied enough, is a tried and tested Scientific theory. My thoughts are if you aren't a scientist, don' purport to have the same level of knowledge. So my short response to this would be carbon dating is flawed, which is why it's not primarily used, the moon was not created at the same as the earth and the earth is clearly older than 6000 years. My question to the creationists here is simply...

Why are dinosaurs not mentioned in the bible, Old Testament or New?

(Sorry for spelling or grammar issues, typed this on my phone.)

They are. Alot. But the word dinosaur wasn't invented until the late 1800s. They used other words like, Leviathan, Dragon, or Behemoth.

[Wizard 125]

I'm saying, if you fail to see any evidence it's because you don't look deep enough. Or you're just indoctrinated.

I enjoy this comment because evolutionary teaching has performed the greatest indoctrination known to mankind. Before evolution, a large majority of Europe and America believed in Creationism and the fact that God created the earth. Then, Marxism and socialism swept through kicking out God and replacing man at the head which we all know is a bad idea.

John Dewey, the forerunner for Progressive education in the United States, stated, "Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself. "

It is clear that spiritual warfare is going on in America. Why would they allow evolution to be taught in schools, but not creationism at all?

At the basic level, the evolution "theory", since it is just a theory, is a work of the devil against Christianity.

[w1llll 68]

At the basic level, the evolution "theory", since it is just a theory, is a work of the devil against Christianity.

I'm sorry, but that is just laughable.

I enjoy this comment because evolutionary teaching has performed the greatest indoctrination known to mankind. Before evolution, a large majority of Europe and America believed in Creationism and the fact that God created the earth.

Your point being what exactly? At one stage, the majority of people believed that the Earth was flat. This does not make the Earth flat. If anything, religious teachings are the indoctrination, as the major difference between indoctrination and education is that indoctrination does not allow critical examination of what they have been taught. Does that sound familiar at all? Oh yes, Evolution challenges some Christian ideas. Your response is to claim that Evolution is the work of the devil. Very mature. As an aside, just because something is a theory, it does not mean that it is untrue. Gravity is a theory. This does not mean that gravity does not exist.

Then, Marxism and socialism swept through kicking out God and replacing man at the head which we all know is a bad idea.

Wrong. Marxism and socialism are not political doctrines specifically created to replace God with man, as you believe. I'm not sure where you got that idea from.

It is clear that spiritual warfare is going on in America. Why would they allow evolution to be taught in schools, but not creationism at all?

Wrong again. Creationism is still taught in schools across America, although evolution is taught as well.

Anyway, I'll be off before you declare me a heretic and that I should be burned at the stake for disagreeing with you.

[Space 2335]

I enjoy this comment because evolutionary teaching has performed the greatest indoctrination known to mankind. Before evolution, a large majority of Europe and America believed in Creationism and the fact that God created the earth. Then, Marxism and socialism swept through kicking out God and replacing man at the head which we all know is a bad idea.

John Dewey, the forerunner for Progressive education in the United States, stated, "Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself. "

It is clear that spiritual warfare is going on in America. Why would they allow evolution to be taught in schools, but not creationism at all?

At the basic level, the evolution "theory", since it is just a theory, is a work of the devil against Christianity.

Artificial Design, as they call it, shouldn't be taught in schools. It doesn't have any scientific evidence or anything. It's a argument from ignorance. There's no possible way to prove it, unless Jesus came down, made love to you all night, and you were pregnant with the next messiah. Or some spiritual evidence.

Have you ever seen a science teacher run into your sunday school and say 'HEY BOYEH, WE WANTS YOU TO TEACH EVOLUTION'.

Do you want us to also teach 'The Church of Atom' from Fallout 3, because I'm sure it has as much evidence as 'Intelligent Design'.

Also, most religious groups don't want intelligent design. Because their religions are incredibly strict and the 'Intelligent Design' idea is not what they believe at all.

Also Also, this is more of a Evolution vs Religions, not JUST about how humans got around.

We have Bill Nye. Check and mate.

And Penn and Teller.

[Lago 2572]

I enjoy this comment because evolutionary teaching has performed the greatest indoctrination known to mankind. Before evolution, a large majority of Europe and America believed in Creationism and the fact that God created the earth. Then, Marxism and socialism swept through kicking out God and replacing man at the head which we all know is a bad idea.

John Dewey, the forerunner for Progressive education in the United States, stated, "Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself. "

It is clear that spiritual warfare is going on in America. Why would they allow evolution to be taught in schools, but not creationism at all?

At the basic level, the evolution "theory", since it is just a theory, is a work of the devil against Christianity.

I enjoy this comment because evolutionary teaching has performed the greatest indoctrination known to mankind.

Right up there with religion, a genius creation through which the state and clergy can control the peasants by promising them the reward of a non-existent 'afterlife', preying like vultures on their fear of death to hold power over them. Earth is at the centre of the universe, the sun and moon go around it, and anyone who doesn't pay their tithes and obey the Church is going to hell to be tortured forever by a red goat man who's name is an anagram of Santa.

Tell me, has the 'indoctrination' of evolution brought nations to their knees in fear of being excommunicated from some medieval Italian's club? Has the 'indoctriation' of evolution raised armies to fight in crusades that killed thousands to fight for one city so that another religion doesn't have it?

Why would they allow evolution to be taught in schools, but not creationism at all?

Because there are god knows how many creation stories from god knows how many religions. Why should fundamentalist Christianity be given special treatment over other religions?

Is it the biggest? No.

Is it the most tolerant? No.

Does it have more evidence to back up its claims than any other creation story or theory? No.

So I ask again, why should it have special treatment over everything else?

Then, Marxism and socialism swept through kicking out God and replacing man at the head which we all know is a bad idea.

Why is your response to everything 'blame the communists?" You'll be blaming communist gremlins for stealing your car keys next. Communists have nothing to do with it.

And "placing man at the head"? How is "modern living creatures are a result of natural selection over millenia," placing man at the head? Christianity places man at the head, claims man is special, superior to other creatures, that God makes the Earth for man, and bars anything but man from heaven? There, my friend, is human arrogance at it's utmost. 'We're special. The celestial powers that be love only us!'

At the basic level, the evolution "theory", since it is just a theory, is a work of the devil against Christianity.

Evolution through Natural Selection is, yes, a theory. Why is it a theory? Because it isn't confirmed to be certainly true.

Just like creationism, come to think of it. How much evidence does creationism have to back it up? The word of the Bible. If we're taking that to be (irony incoming) gospel, then why are we cherry picking? We must kill all the homosexuals and stone all the women who refuse to marry men who've raped them. In terms of evidence, evolution through natural selection's winning hands down, mate.

And 'a work of the devil against Christianity?' Let us, for the sake of argument, assume your assertion to be true. Wait, let's not, because the picture of Satan at a desk with 'Director of Education' on a plaque is downright hilarious. I could attack the 'Satan did it' argument all day, but so could every other man and his dog, so I won't waste the bandwidth.

[Campor 28]

It is clear that spiritual warfare is going on in America. Why would they allow evolution to be taught in schools, but not creationism at all?

Okay, I have to pick out this argument because it's the thing that struck me most.

Should they learn the Hindu creation myth? The Islamic? The Christian? The Mormon? There is a multitude of creation stories, what makes your's better than all the others? All the others which don't have any factual evidence whatsoever outside of their texts specifically written to push their own beliefs, much like the Christian one.

[PtahWithin 1320]

I'll just leave this here.

Open Letter To Kansas School Board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence.

What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Pastafarianism), and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Sincerely Yours,

Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.

P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.