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[Hiebe 2493]

The races would naturally flock to the regions they are used to. The orcs /would/ go to the desert, elves to the densest forest, dwarves to the highest mountains and the humans to probably the plains.

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Now, Danny been doin' all of dat thinkin' stuffz.

These are my personal opinions on various parts of a 'new map'.

Landmass

Asulon's map is a lot bigger than Aegis'. The nations are more spread out, and there's towns and villages randomly speckled everywhere - it's annoying for most players. People don't travel because of these giant distances. However, in Aegis - we didn't really face such problems - we were able to walk from place to place without crying 'cause it'd take so long. The long distances don't particularly add to roleplay as far as I can see, and instead actually hold back roleplay because players don't want to travel. Therefore, in 'LotC 3.0' we should ensure the distances are good. That means - not Asulon length, but also not as short as Aegis. Maybe a small amount longer than Aegis had - then we'd be able to actually have people travelling on the roads.

Working off of the two maps that have been posted here (Native's one, and Map 4 or whatever you's are calling it), I've came up with a small 'mapped' idea of my own - in relation to the land. As you can see most of the land is formed into one large central mainland, however there are various islands dotted around, and a rather large one not far off. This large island far off to the side (as labelled on the map) is the Kharajyr island - as we need to remember they're a race that doesn't socialize with other races.

The Map Itself.

Map with Race Labels.

The distance between nations shouldn't be small small, or big big - if we can find a distance that is actually perfect - then we should use that. Obviously, we can't please everyone - but we can try.

Region Specific Resources and Resource Regeneration

Resources should be specific to regions - encouraging trade, and allowing (during wartime) resources to be blockaded, which can be used for political roleplay.

A quick 'plan' of suggested resource regions:

• Humans - wheat, melons, pumpkins, livestock (in general food). Humans have the most fertile land for growing crops, and are very good farmers. Some wood, however mainly birch wood. Not a large supply of wood, and it takes a long time to regenerate.
• Elves - wood obviously. The elves aren't the kind to really cut down trees, but it's a resource they could earn a lot of money from. Plants however, there should be a lot of - plants can be used in medicine, food etc.
• Dwarves - stone and ores. The dwarven race is known for it's ability to mine and smith ores.
• Orcs - sand, sandstone? Tribal 'jewellery' or clothing. The orcs are less likely to be willing to trade, considering they're a lot more isolated than other races.
• Kharajyr - The Khara have a lot of wood on their island, however I don't think they'd cut it down. They're a very isolated race so I doubt they'd trade. I can't really think of a resource that they'd be able to use.

Now - in regards to regeneration of these resources, and how the region specific resources would work:

Vaq would need to do some coding for us here. However, before that - whilst we're making the map - we'd need to generate areas of resources during the process. The dwarven lands should of course be filled with ores and stone. The orcs should have access to a lot of sand and sandstone, as well as desert plants. The elves should have a lot of trees and plants placed around their lands, which could in-turn be traded. The humans should have large areas of plains, with a lot of long-grass, to gather seeds for the large farms. Kharajyr should obviously have their large tress (jungle biome) and rainforest plants - so, densely packed rainforest area, with a lot of ground-plant-life.

Then we have Vaq code us up a plugin which allows the regions to regenerate over time - times vary depending on the resource regenerating. Suggested times:-

• Human trees - 3-4 years IG.
• Elves trees - 1-2 years IG.
• Khara trees - 4-5 years IG (due to their size).
• Elven plants - 1/2 year IG.
• Khara plants - 1/4 year IG.
• Human long-grass - 1/4 year IG.
• Orcish desert plants - 1/2 year IG.
• Orcish sand to sandstone formation - 1 year IG.
• Dwarven ore generation - 3-4 years IG.

These times would be defined in the same way the date plugin works - however, obviously they'd be set to do regenerate at the times specified. However, this would not all happen at once. Hopefully, there'd be a way of it being defined so that there's various chances for various regions to regenerate at different times, and the regeneration would take a little bit to do - as if we had all of this regenerating at once - we'd end up with extreme lag.

Rivers

Rivers are something we don't see enough of in LotC. How epic would a giant river be, that spanned the whole island, going down hills in giant waterfalls, before reaching the sea? We need something like this, running from the mountains straight down through the lands. A river that isn't just some long line of water of course.

These rivers would need to have various features which rivers in-real life actually have, e.g. meanders, tributaries, deltas maybe? - instead of the water just sliding into the sea without any form of geographical 'show'. Having flood-plains near the river banks would also be pretty smart.

Mountains

Due to the fact Asulon was worked on and released before the new height limits - we don't have giant, epic mountains! We'll need to make huge mountains, with snow at the top etc. Instead of just having regular mountains, that are just pointy etc - mountain ranges would be made, featuring real mountain-features - corries, hanging valleys etc. Obviously, due to Minecraft something's ain't possible - but even if it isn't possible it's worth a try, isn't it?

Most of the mountains would be situated in the dwarven lands, however as you can see from the map I went and made - some would sit in the center of the map - where there's also a volcano.

Races

I can't see there being a change in races. Going to a new world doesn't change us to another type of race, however, I do not want to see anymore races or subraces being introduced with the new map - we don't need them.

Locations/Landmarks

The areas where the races will settle should not have been settled in yet - we can consider this a brand new land, inhabited only by animals. Any human-like race hasn't been here before - the lands are fresh.

Natural landmarks are a must have. I've got some already thought up actually...

The Orcish Canyon

We all know of the Grand Canyon in-real-life. It looks awesome. The orcish desert needs to have a giant canyon like it - just because it does.

The Elven Mother Tree

The Elves will need to have some form of giant tree, that's literally huge. How we explain this via lore? - I don't know - however, it'd be the equivalent of an 'elven palace'.

The Dwarven Kings Mountain

A mountain that reaches the very sky limit, and has a massive width. It'd operate as the main dwarven city most likely, and have some pretty awesome tunnels inside once the dwarves make them.

The Human Plains

A giant expanse of flat land, that has extremely fertile soil - and is perfect for growing crops.

The Kharajyr Rainforest

Self-Explanatory.

The Giant River thing

A river that runs the entire expanse of the mainland, featuring everything a real-life huge river would.

Map Creation

Map Creation would be done in multiple stages.

• WorldPainter - the land would be painted from bedrock layer up, so that we could have the region specific resources without needing to hand-place them.
• The Hand Details - adding the details to the landscape - the plants to the lands, underwater secrets, the mother tree construction, adding snow to areas, all other details that would be needed.
• The Regeneration - setting up the areas for the periodic resource regeneration.
• The Regioning - regioning all that needs regioning.
• The Release - the event moving us from Asulon to 3.0.

A Greater Evil?

Lots of people are indeed calling for a great evil to return. In 3.0 we could have such. See that empty island in the top left?

I said the mainland had never been inhabited - what about that island though?

We could have a threat equal to the Undead that resides on that island - in some form of keep, or... thing.

Nation Unification

Yes. Humans should = one nation. Dwarves = one nation. Orcs = one nation. Khara = one nation. Elves = one nation, however a divided one due to the High Elven traditions.

Charters

Charters should stay - however they should be extremely strictended - meaning the chances of you being allowed to make a town are very small. We don't want thousands of little villages, with two people in them. We want it to be like it once was - like Aegis was.

Bump we need this but a bit more land mass change. Peninsula and canyons and such.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

I say no to 5 nations. Mix the races around, maybe 3?

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

You -can- live in other nations, as always, you just -shouldn't-!

[Thrym 188]

You've been an amazing GM and not to forget: you made a modpack for lotc. You're loved by all, so for one mistake we'd never want you gone. We're not GlaDOS.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered but I saw 32 pages and am too tired and lacking enough patience to read through them so here is my questions: A. You say far in the future but exactly how far is far? B. Will we get to keep our characters or will this be a sorta "Fresh slate"?

Again, sorry if this was already asked.

[ΚΨΙΞ 710]

What would happen to the Mori, would they just stay in Asulon and die off?

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

They're Elves, so I assume they'd be living with the Elves... >.>

[gabriel101x1 463]

They're Elves, so I assume they'd be living with the Elves... >.>

Yes, but as I am aware the mori revere menocress, and would never leave it.

[ΚΨΙΞ 710]

They're Elves, so I assume they'd be living with the Elves... >.>

The Mori cant stand light and have to live in caverns. So in a sense, they would need to build a large cavern in the Elven lands.

[ek_knight 21]

I really can't see the Mori traveling to the new land. How would they even build a boat and travel to it without being exposed to light?

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

You -can- live in other nations, as always, you just -shouldn't-!

What is mean is no Nazi-esque racially homogenous nations. Mix and match a little, like Kal'Alras in Aegis prior to the split with Urguan. Mix racial nations, not just a pure dwarfen nation, a pure human nation, a pure elven nation, a pure Kharajyr nation and a pure orc nation. Rather, toss all of these into a blender and watch what happens. For example, I can see the orcs reverting into tribal groups and splitting up into small, disjointed groups. Dwarfs and humans mixing. Elves and humans mixing. The only groups that I can see staying individual (and as a nation) in my vision are the Kha, because they're emo kids and hate everything and the High Elves, because of their purist ideology.

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

Meh, I don't think we Dwarvss would go for that, or any other race really. Every race think they're at the top of the food chain. Ironically, the only true nation that didn't care about birth was Hanseti, and they were/are far more Nazi-esqe then anyone else. Besides, different races being separate races, along with the racial superiority complex each race has, is a long-standing fantasy tradition. And towns and such would be more race mixed, butthe nations should be as they were at the beginning of Aegis, one nation per race.

[Yoff 328]

What I think of nations is that it should be a nation per race, and maybe the races would mix to form bigger nations (dwarves and humans). This is a great idea because it condences RP into nations. Nations have to have very few cities and very few towns. I hate the fact that towns are so big with so many houses, and the houses have signs of people, but in truth, the houses house no one. A lot of the people have a house in each nation or city and it bothers me see so much inactivity in towns.

Multi verese.

I totally agree on having this as long as it is very limited. The only mines should be given to dwarves and at least 1 to orcs. Humans and elves should find a way to stablish trade caravans to buy minerals from the dwarves which would produce great RP, and a fun expirience. Having to hire guards for the caravan, travelling the roads and RP'ing with the people you found around.

Also, I think the dwarves should have all the Diamonds. I mean ALL of them. Diamond weapons and armor act as something such as mythril, a very powerful and scarse mineral. This would mean that everyone who wants to get Diamond weapons will have to count on the dwarves special making them and selling them at redicoulosly high prices, making it for people in Asulon to have to go much farther and work much harder, maybe 5 jobs at once. This would make diamond weaponry much more difficult to aquire and feel much more like a legendary mineral.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

Also, I think the dwarves should have all the Diamonds. I mean ALL of them. Diamond weapons and armor act as something such as mythril, a very powerful and scarse mineral. This would mean that everyone who wants to get Diamond weapons will have to count on the dwarves special making them and selling them at redicoulosly high prices, making it for people in Asulon to have to go much farther and work much harder, maybe 5 jobs at once. This would make diamond weaponry much more difficult to aquire and feel much more like a legendary mineral.

I actually really, really like that idea. We could also make the 'rich' diamond mines be close to barren in actual diamonds. Remember rich is relative. Having one diamond per million blocks is 'rich' compared to no diamonds per million blocks.

I'm not saying that should be the rate, but having few diamonds and few gold floating through the economy would be well... interesting. Also when we head to the new continent, I would like to see the dwarfen nation as literally HUGE. The city itself would be of typical size, but the caverns around it should be enormous, possibly even spanning the size of the entire continent. And on that note - sea level should be set at roughly 128 to allow really, really deep chasms.

Ill put up screenshots of what I'm rambling on about soon.

[Shar'ku/jenspelao 410]

I don't want to change the continent, If we do only back to Aegis.

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

I don't want to change the continent, If we do only back to Aegis.

Adorable, har you seen Aegis? There's nothing left.