The Issue From An Ex-Staff's Pov

[Bircalin 332]

I'm not one of those people to say "It's just a game guys jeez" because I understand that people work to make the game more enjoyable for others and it's something others have to take into consideration. But, likewise to yourself, Gaius, I've grown to understand that it's key to remember that there really -aren't- any true obligations to this server and its community. But it's the same consideration that you give to those that work hard for the server that you have to apply when you try and make us an 'ideal' community, if you will. We will never be perfect, and I'm sure you know that. But in these attempts to bring truth to light, you distance the community from the people that cater to it. Rhia is right in saying that you've directly harmed the server, and you have, little what it may mean.

On a more dramatic note, as per this community's 'typical behaviour':

Remember just how many people you lied to that stuck up for you. 
"We -know- it wasn't you, Gaius, don't worry."

Bravo, bravo.

[Zebanamana 410]

He only spawned minas. I see his point on how people over-dramatize things.

 

For spawning digital money that can easily be corrected people are quick to declare Gaius morally reprehensible, or vile, or in the wrong, and tell him how bad he is.

 

 

Back in my day we would say "You're on probation for spawning that ****, don't do that again." instead of "Oh how could you! We trusted you! We all trusted you! You were a role model to me and little Johnny! I have never felt this sting of injustice and darkness coming from your soul. Oh we shall bemoan this betrayal! My trust has forever been shaken!"

 

[Space 2335]

He only spawned minas. I see his point on how people over-dramatize things.

 

For spawning digital money that can easily be corrected people are quick to declare Gaius morally reprehensible, or vile, or in the wrong, and tell him how bad he is.

 

 

Back in my day we would say "You're on probation for spawning that ****, don't do that again." instead of "Oh how could you! We trusted you! We all trusted you! You were a role model to me and little Johnny! I have never felt this sting of injustice and darkness coming from your soul. Oh we shall bemoan this betrayal! My trust has forever been shaken!"

 

 

The fact that he spawned minas was immature, but not too bad. The fact that he caused a rollback was the part that pisses people off.

[Lynesse {Celia/Jazzy} 398]

can everyone stop talking about what an extremely terrible person gaius is and how you totally used to respect him and don't anymore.

 

and well, focus on the topic that he's brought up.

 

and hey, for the sake of preventing hypocrisy, i think it's fair to should be respectful to someone who does leave, no matter how they do it.

 

i mean, "i don't care because you left." doesn't sound all that different from "i don't care because i'm leaving."

[Thu'um 530]

[Rig 17591]

I feel bad you're quitting, but after some of the rude things I've seen you say, I can't say that I fully would trust you. You're great man, but I think the stress has gotten to you, enjoy whatever happens next, I hope you have fun with your life. Bye man.

[Free The Hobbits 859]

What's that? I can't hear any of you over this game I'm playing here.

 

*frantically taps the clicker* pew pew, pew pew.

Did you say something?

*is having fun with his halfling friends*

[Lock 'eed Ironheart 120]

 Friend of many years gets drunk and wrecks your car nearly dying in the wreck. Do you ....

 

A. Toss the friendship of many decades out the window and make them pay you back for the car and no longer associate with them.

 

B. Scold them for being a dipsh!t and be thankful there alive and can continue being friends for many more years minus the bad times.

 

 Sure that's over the top but the point I'm trying to say here is you have here a long term member that one can say is human? And as humans we do some wild things from time to time. Who hasn't, really to think a random act such as this could just be the final straw to demonize a person and say you no longer have respect is just weak.

 If this is all it takes to lose respect for someone of many years on a server then you need a reality check. People getting angry about something that could be, I don't know commanded out. People getting angry about a single rollback, are you nuts have you forgotten prelaunch MC and all the hell rollbacks of 1.4?!

 

 Pretty sad state of affairs imo. We all have the liar friend, one upper, look at me!, smart, dumb, silly, immature the list of type of friends goes on. It would seem to be an admin or a mod here on lotc requires a golden slate of pure excellence and zero tolerance of flaws which is false. Look at the mirror people your not perfect nor am I, so quit expecting perfection from high ups as they will disappoint you from time to time. It's only when you're able to look past that and accept them for what they are and imo Gaius is still a good card in my book, just one strike on him for screwing up. And guess what it isn't three strikes and your out, I've got friends that do some stuff that would make this pale in comparison but there still my friends.

 

 Now if he had backend and banned everyone and deleted world files and such then yeah pull out the firewood we'll have a bonfire Gaius!

 

But now damage seems to be done in the effect of posts and emotion replies from players to administration.

[Samson Option 9652]

 Friend of many years gets drunk and wrecks your car nearly dying in the wreck. Do you ....

 

A. Toss the friendship of many decades out the window and make them pay you back for the car and no longer associate with them.

 

B. Scold them for being a dipsh!t and be thankful there alive and can continue being friends for many more years minus the bad times.

 

 Sure that's over the top but the point I'm trying to say here is you have here a long term member that one can say is human? And as humans we do some wild things from time to time. Who hasn't, really to think a random act such as this could just be the final straw to demonize a person and say you no longer have respect is just weak.

 If this is all it takes to lose respect for someone of many years on a server then you need a reality check. People getting angry about something that could be, I don't know commanded out. People getting angry about a single rollback, are you nuts have you forgotten prelaunch MC and all the hell rollbacks of 1.4?!

 

 Pretty sad state of affairs imo. We all have the liar friend, one upper, look at me!, smart, dumb, silly, immature the list of type of friends goes on. It would seem to be an admin or a mod here on lotc requires a golden slate of pure excellence and zero tolerance of flaws which is false. Look at the mirror people your not perfect nor am I, so quit expecting perfection from high ups as they will disappoint you from time to time. It's only when you're able to look past that and accept them for what they are and imo Gaius is still a good card in my book, just one strike on him for screwing up. And guess what it isn't three strikes and your out, I've got friends that do some stuff that would make this pale in comparison but there still my friends.

 

 Now if he had backend and banned everyone and deleted world files and such then yeah pull out the firewood we'll have a bonfire Gaius!

 

But now damage seems to be done in the effect of posts and emotion replies from players to administration.

 

You have a friend in me ol' comrade, I remember the days of Asulon

 

[Lock 'eed Ironheart 120]

Ok getting skyped about my post let me say that " I do not support bad behavior " . Gaius imo is a good guy just seems burnt out and did a few things that snowballed out of control. I'm not Gaius but I'm only able to imagine what all transpired and led up to what in my thoughts snowballed into a brickwall. I've been on this planet 33 some odd years and I have had the pleasure of good and bad friends and the same with acquaintances. 

 

 If it were up to me I'd revoke title and tell said person go take a break or take a forced ban of said amount of time from forums and in game.Make a post on forums explaining such actions to give the public transparency of what all happened and to let everyone know that what ever problems resulted in the antics of said in power will be handled and rectified.  Upon return of said person they would be allowed to play as a base player and would be required to regain the trust of the community depending on their past actions.  You can argue removal from forums for a said amount of time is not needed BUT in this type of community it is required imo. Forums and in game are so tied together that it wouldn't be a leave unless it's a full leave of BOTH.

 

 This is all based on case to case issues and severity of infractions.

[Shorsand 2006]

The fact that people get aggravated over petty nonsense like this is what irks me. While not being an overly long-time member, nor have I had any prolonged interaction with any staff or their circles, it's completely equivocal as to why there's such an animosity between people for the most idiotic of reasons (coming from my objective point, of course),

 

This is expected, however, as naturally people will try and mold LotC to fit them, not to fit everyone so that it's, as you said, a cooperative experience. This will of course, lead to conflicts between them. The people involved need to realize, again, as you said, that this is cooperative, not for the benefit of the individual strictly, but for everyone, which does include the individual. If everyone was just a tad more selfless, a tad more accepting (as you said), then we would have minimal conflicts over OOC things.

[Blundermore 2741]

I make this post now after spending a few days thinking about what I wanted to say after taking in the points said.

 

You know Gaius, I looked to you as someone who was actually a good person on this server. Someone who wasn't a troll, an idiot, biased or generally rude. Someone who stood up against all the bullshit that has been going on as of late and didn't follow the crowd to simply gain benefits for yourself. 

 

Now though? When we spoke in General Lore Skype chat (where all the GMs and LMs reside to discuss things to do with lore and other things)  I actually believed that you of all people were telling the truth when you said that you were hacked and I was genuinely there to defend you to the very last on it. 

 

I read this thread now... and all I can feel is regret. Regret and betrayal for what you did. 

 

You make a lot of great points sometimes Gaius, and I respected each and every one of them. I agreed with a lot of them as well, even in this thread I agreed with a few of them. But do you know what Gaius? That doesn't hide the fact of what you did. 

 

You lied to us, you're a sneak, you took people's trust and carried it on, knowing full well what you did or were doing. 

 

You did this merely as some sort of test or something like that, I just... Gaius why? Of all the things I thought you were I never thought you were unreasonably arrogant, no, not even arrogant, I can't think of a word to describe this. Why did you feel the need to do this? To push people who you knew were already under stress with all that is going on in the server an more. Acting as though you were some sort of omnipresent being in the clouds sending down judgement upon people.

 

Do you know what Gaius? I thought we were friends, no. No... not even that, I thought you were friends with a lot of people. But a lot of these people are right. Even though you might claim to not be so...

 

you are no better than those people who just left.

 

You took the trust of people like me, like many, you took the trust of the staff, of the admins who promoted you to a GM, and you took the trust of the GMs and you threw it away like it was nothing practically. Just to prove some, quite frankly childish point.  

 

You're no better than the Mogmen, the pugsiers, those hackers or even the recent rouge GM occurrence. You used powers to outwardly attack the server and the people within and yes, it may have been easily resolved in what? 4 hours? (Which I might add is a lot of time for me in my opinion out of my busy life so I could guess similar circumstances for people like Tythus and the other GMs who had to fix it). The fact of the matter is though is that you still attacked the server in a manner no different to these people. There is no other way to cut it.

 

I don't know if you will read this, I don't know if you will even reply, but quite frankly I don't care how much you might try to refute my point in this matter. In the end though? It all comes down to this...

 

You took the trust of people like me, like many, you took the trust of the staff, of the admins who promoted you to a GM, and you took the trust of the GMs and you threw it away like it was nothing practically.

Bye Gaius. 

[Lanader - Richard Tarus 197]

Exactly. Very few actually believed he was hacked, and all the spawned money was fixed within an hour or two.

 

Right after the server came back up, I checked who spawned the money, then de-opped the account. Any claims of in-efficiency  are kind of nulled. We kept the server in Dev mode for the rest of the night to prevent any more trouble, not because we were panicking. 

 

I agree with nearly every point listed. And you know what I'm doing about it? I'm spending 10-16 hours online every day, attempting to work at them. To fix them. I'm not attempting to cause a mess for the rest to clean up. I'm trying. No long, detailed post. No refutes or claims. That's all I have to say: Things are a bit messy right now, and I'm trying.

 

Edit: And no, I'm not the only one. Some could be a bit more active, yes, but everyone is trying.

After reading through each post twice, I was thinking initially that; "Oh, he betrayed us all! Shun him!" But after reading this twice, it really made be begin to think. And honestly, going on about how Gaius has betrayed us and was your friend, we should actually try to LISTEN to some of his feedback. It seems like most of the people who posted here are simply rejecting the fact that most of what he wrote was true. All I can say is that AMEN to what Ever has already stated. Keep it up, really.

 

edit: Although I do not -know- Gaius and have ever talked to him on LOTC before, this is simply my opinion. I can see where you are all coming from, but we should be working to improve. Not just toss around insults and how you now distrust Gaius and such.

 

EDIT 2: And by giving good feedback, I mean give a GOOD reply on your thoughts of everything Gaius stated in the topic, not insulting him. Save the insults, and if you're still going to say them, put them at the END of your reply.

 

 

FINAL EDIT (I know.): I know fully well that what Gaius did was wrong, but still, let's not take his feedback as a BAD thing. Of course that he really never should have sent that money, but what he has stated are really some things we need to work on improving as a community.

[the GOAT of the craft 606]

Why are a good portion of posts whining about Gaius has betrayed you, the server and your gran? He's trying to help. Listen to this GOOD feedback.

[Ned Lud 1260]

His feedback is nothing more than a repeat of what a lot of us common folk have been saying for over a year now. The words have less meaning when spoken by an ex-GM that abandoned his post, abused his power to spawn money into the server, then lied about it and offered a half-assed apology or lack thereof before quitting. All of this immediately after we just lost an Admin, a few GMs and several prominent members of the community. And now he wants to share his wisdom on how to fix things.

 

Thanks for the words of wisdom, but we'll have to handle this without you now.

 

It's nothing personal man, it's just kinda silly.