Tethras

That's why the Markarth Idea offers the best of both worlds. An indoor and outer section, both able to be expanded by new players as the Dwarves continue to develop.

I would say if so do it more Dragon Age style. With more actual collapsed tunnels carved out, with caverns intertwining with them. So the tunnels look like they were built by someone. Although this time we would have to finish the lore for it before hand to create some storyline for the city. The only issue is that it could be Deep Roads 2.0, which were never actually put into use. And it could potentially halt the expansion of our city. So we do some small deep roads that could be potentially expanded depending on how we develop. Or not at all. We have to take into consideration that they'll either be used or not used. And if not used how to we deal with it.

((You should know more than anyone Dreek that we're not doing this out of animosity. This isn't to ruin anyone's role play or because we don't like anyone who belongs to the High Elven nation. This is simply a result of the fact that we're trying to repossess the art of golemancy - a. Because we'd prefer if golemancy was kept as something unique to dwarven role play, to provide something different about our culture and b. The dwarven religion demands that golem anvils and all sacred artifacts are kept within the hands of the dwarven nation. The fact that you've chosen to criticise us in a public thread is frankly a little rude.))

((Right now would be great!))

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((Yes, although we've given Ultimatums in the past. They were not acted upon. This is the final one we will be doing.))

A letter is sent to the governing body of the High Elves within Haelun'or. “To the Az’Elgus of Haelun’or, the White City, We, the sons of Urguan, address this letter to you as a matter of grave importance. We tire of waiting and putting great effort into a cause that has become vastly more problematic as time has passed. In the early years, it was said that Yemekar himself, the divine creator, gifted unto the hands of the Dwedmar, the knowledge of the great anvils. For years we have guarded these relics and utilized them for the greater good of the realm, never once straying from our goal of preserving a world in which all mortal races may live, with peace in mind if they so wish. Yet, there are those few who have wronged us as time has passed. The Orkos, the Umros and now so too that of your own kin. Through assaulting a Lord of the Grand Kingdom of Urguan and stealing an artifact of most sacred importance to the Kirka Dverja, we would usually consider such a betrayal an act of war. Your kind have sought peace in the past however and for that, we are for the next seven elven days, allowing channels for diplomacy to resume. Our demands are simple. Return the artifact to the hands of its rightful and true owners or by the next week, prepare to see the white city burn and the decapitated heads of your people sit high above the battlements of Kal’Ithrun. If you dishonour our requests and prove your kind so consumed with greed that you would be damned to Khorvad’s unholy halls, you will find no mercy at our hands. Our campaign will never cease for you will rue the day that you ever chose to cross us. Your lands will be surrounded, your forests burned within the great dwarven war machine, as you will wish and pray every second of what existence you have left, that you had only seen wisdom earlier. The blood of your people will run deep into the grounds of the great world that Yemekar bestowed upon us. For those Dwedmar who fall, Dungrimm will guide them to the halls of Khaz’a’Dentrumm. Yet for every dwarf lost, they will slay over a dozen Az’Elger, whose souls will be cast into the endless void, to wander for all eternity. Your line will end, what footprints you left upon the world erased from knowledge. Your lands will be left desolate and ruined, sacked of all prior greatness. Yet our divine retribution shall be spoken of in tales and song, until the end of time. You have seven elven days to comply. Do as we say, and you will have preserved peace. Relations over time will be healed and slowly, we will begin to reestablish historical bridges of diplomacy. If however, we have not received the artifact by the seventh day, we will accept no compromise, making invasion inevitable. Your days left alive will be numbered. Know that this is the last and final warning you shall receive.” (( http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/309/2/d/the_great_betrayal_warhammer_by_faroldjo-d6t429w.jpg )) Signed, Grand King Indago Stormhammer Lord Farren Starbreaker Lord Igor Ireheart Lord Dominic Irongut May Ogradhad enlighten you to make the wise decision. ((If this is to end in a warclaim, please could one of the leaders of the High Elves send me a forum PM and we’ll discuss terms, etc. Also, please could both sides leave OOC bickering out of this conflict entirely. Credits to Zezimus for helping me write this.))

All the above are accepted. Will edit the original post later. Revamps shall be coming around monday, so look out!

((All the posts above are accepted. Just replying to this one because he's Farren's son.)) Farren smiles warmly at his son, spreading out his arms as he goes to greet him. "Welcome 'ome son..."

Well from that standpoint one settlement is fine. But we need to consider certain factors, such as titles. For example if we have a vassal, I would argue against it being a "Kingdom." It doesn't make sense for a "Kingdom" to be small town in a valley. We won't be a huge nation in 4.0, with the land we're given. Sure we can expand, but it's not like early Anthos where we could region off those areas. Secondly as I stated earlier, they should be behind our city. Similar to what someone stated in the "Humans 4.0" thread, so that our city is a gateway city. Meaning we get more players going through our capital to get to them. Although this may be a tad harsh on the vassals, it does filter payers. Which means that more players would be likely to stop off at our city. As well as Dwarves more likely to inhabit it, rather than getting sucked into our vassal cities that are closer. Thirdly size, we would have to consider limitations on natural environments and the towns ( Our capital and the vassal city). We had this problem during Elysium with the expansion of our own city halted by the valley behind being occupied. Not to mention halting our vassals expansion as they dug into our mines. This also happened during Anthos with some settlements, such as Brom'Khra and Kastoria's clashing borders. Also if we make some cool environments we don't want people randomly expanding into that to make their dream house, which doesn't look as good as it did in their heads. Fourthly, trade. If we are going to do a trading system between vassals this time we should enforce it. Although it will most likely not happen due to everyone being self sufficient. Which is fair enough. But we should consider where the resources are to build at least some form of trade. For example maybe a larger forest nearer one city. Not to mention food production. Fithly, re-organisation. We would have to reconsider out systems to fit in with our new way of doing things in 4.0.. EDIT: For the actual design of our city, I say we copy Al'Khazar to some degree. With the main things being at the central plaza just behind the gate. Shops closely condensed, but with some decent storage space just up the hill a short walk. Houses further within the city.

Although this may spark up some serious aggressive responses. I believe this question needs to be ask. Do we need vassals in 4.0? Why can't we simply accommodate our city for all races? Vassals are useful sure for maintaining the vast amount of land we've amassed in 3.0 and in war. But 4.0 promises a new start, why should we bother with vassals? They're like parasites, leaching players from us. Sure they offer us military support, but a guild could easily fill that role. We should be taking all those players in, centralizing them into our Capital. Thoughts?

Farren nods in agreement, raising his hand slightly. "F'ank yer Morgrim, t'en wif'out delay ah shall announce tu candidates. Dreek Ireheart Zahrer Irongrinder Kjell Ireheart Indago Stormhammer Babalouche Gronkk​ If anyonone wis'es tu dispute tu rights ov these individuals tu' partake or change t'eir nomination speak now. Tu elections shall begin later t'is elven day. Farren turns to the Guardsmen once more, handing him a short list. "Laddeh, sorreh fer askin yer to go again. Go find tu Remebrancers, tell 'em tu begin preperations fer tu election. Tu list ov candidates are on t'at list. If t'ere is aneh change ah'll send someone else tu notifeh yer lot." ((The election post shall be put up later today after I return from my lectures. If you want to change your candidates or dispute anything do so now. Since once the elections begin it will be too late.))

Farren shakes his head, continuing to laugh. "Yer nae 'ave tu fear anyfin Kjell. Ah nae seek tu guide t'is election in meh favour. Anof'er person shall choose ah candidate fer meh. It's mereleh so t'at more Dwedmar may get ah chance tu run. Foul play an nae right? Ah'm ah Lord Regent. Ah Lord firstleh 'an ah Regent secondleh. Ah'm nae ah King. Otherwise ah would 'ave nae accepted tu responsibiliteh. Mereleh t'ere tu keep f'ings runnin between elections. Ah'm nae even votin in tu elections tu keep 'em fair. Yer insult meh an yerself wif such rediculous claims. Ah'm ah relic of an old era, ov Thorins reign. Ah can at least see t'at clearleh. Meh time is comin tu an end an someone else will 'elp guide our nation. Ave left meh clan and meh art secondleh fer t'is Kingdom. Ah'm nae goin tu bloomin turn on meh beliefs right now. So do nae accuse meh ov foul play. If t'at was tu case, yer would 'ave seen ah Starbreaker on tu throne by now. Farren growls at Kjell, his face contorted in rage. "So do yer wish tu still accuse meh Paragon? To accuse an deny meh ov meh rights, t'at 'ave earned in service tu t'is Kingdom? T'at ah sacrificed most ah good portion ov meh life fer? T'at ah ignored meh kin tu serve? Ignored my own children an creation fer? Meh own craft? Watching whilst lesser men claimed meh achievements as t'eir own! Do nae make meh laugh aneh furf'er! Ah've given almost everyfin tu t'is Kingdom. Tu Gods may curse meh fer meh actions, ah'n ah know t'at it may well beh Khorvads Hall ah will proberleh go tu in tu afterlife fer meh actions in defense ov meh people. So dun yer dare accuse meh Paragon, yer status or nae. Yer 'ave nae right, tu gods will seek tu judge an punish meh in tu afterlife. Nae yer. He shakes his head once more, his grip on the armrest loosening. Sighing as he relaxes himself. "T'is throne, is nae mine. Ah know t'at, one ov yer or t'ose waitin outside will claim it. But it's weight is nofin compared tu t'at Obsidian Throne. In time it may get 'eavier once more w'en we reclaim our past gloreh... But 'ave rambled fer too long, forgive meh fer meh outburst. Onleh time will tell fer tu most part, whilst we walk blindleh accompanied by tu Gods mocking laughter. At aneh rate, does anyone 'ave aneh questions? Ones nae relatin tu meh rights preferableh... Ah might as well announce me candidate chooser. Considerin t'at Kjell is ah candidate, w'u etter t'an tu son ov Paragon Valen tu choose fer meh? " Farren turns to a nearby guard, nodding to him as he says. "Laddeh summon Morgrim Grandaxe. Yer know wut tu tell 'im.

Farren laughs mockingly, glaring at Kjell. "Aye, tu Articles say nofin about ah Lord Regent nae bein able to choose ah candidate. Or are yer gettin cold feet Paragon? Tu Regent is mereleh ah glorified Lord. Yer got nofin tu fear, ahnae seek tu rule t'is nation through ah puppet candidate. Meh era is slowleh comin tu an end, ah can at least see t'at. Ah'll choose someone else to pick fer meh, much like Dominic did. So t'at ah can run t'is election through an impartial standpoint. Now, aneh over questions? Or does anyone wis' tu furt'er dispute meh right tu put forward ah candidate? "

Farren shakes his head slowly, tapping the armchair impatiently. "Nae, Igor may choose w'ut 'e wishes tu do in regards tu candidates. But at aneh rate, tu election shall start wifin an elven day. Ah'll be announcin meh candidate just before weh begin tu elections. Tu election themselves will span fer four elven days. Aneh questions?"

Farren lets outs a long sigh, turning to stare at Igor. "It's up tu yer if yer wanna still compete or nae. But if yer are goin tu nae run in tu elections... At least nominate someone in yer place, t'ere beh plenteh ov Dwedmar 'wu would kill fer an oppertuniteh tu run."

Soon TM. Not but honestly, it will be revived. But not as soon as I would like due to other things taking priority. Uni, Runesmithing, ect...

Clan: Farren Starbreaker Main or alt?: Main Gonna re-do the page soon. So watch out, the Starbreakers will be back in town :P

Well thanks for telling us, at least someone made the effort to tell players about it. Also good pun Silent :P