Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Maybe if you didn't make so many enemies... But but but they're annoying and stole my money for wearing pants :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Whiteman 949 Share Posted February 24, 2014 OH. Here's a list of people who would probably live there. That's 131 players. That's alot. So.. Why would we /not/ have a place for what /looks/ like a majourity to go and RP in? If they want PVP, leave the /small/ /tiny/ town, and simply travel /ANYWHERE/ else in 4.0 for PVP. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XMm6l_eaDELi3BpKNqiRe2EnIAggx7OUusjeYmoMJz4/edit Take me off that list please, I find PvP more interesting and diverse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Take me off that list please, I find PvP more interesting and diverse. I can't, I didn't make the damn thing. You signed it. xD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky 0 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I will straight off the bat that I am against this. A lot of your points seem heavily biased and almost like a desperation attempt for this "RP Haven". I should state though, that the Flay's (and other PvP groups as you would gladly call them) actually enjoy Role Playing and when it comes to fighting, they would prefer PvP which there is nothing wrong with. PvP itself doesn't harm anyone's experience, it's how you choose to take it that makes a difference. Raids are a natural thing, but can only really happen with PvP, considering the amount of people in a town there can be and also considering how lost the people would be if it was an RP fight. Plus, just as a small note, most people don't understand that their characters have limits and actually have to emote being injured. Thus is why I enjoy PvP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Whiteman 949 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I can't, I didn't make the damn thing. You signed it. xD 0-0 nooooooo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 I will straight off the bat that I am against this. A lot of your points seem heavily biased and almost like a desperation attempt for this "RP Haven". I should state though, that the Flay's (and other PvP groups as you would gladly call them) actually enjoy Role Playing and when it comes to fighting, they would prefer PvP which there is nothing wrong with. PvP itself doesn't harm anyone's experience, it's how you choose to take it that makes a difference. Raids are a natural thing, but can only really happen with PvP, considering the amount of people in a town there can be and also considering how lost the people would be if it was an RP fight. Plus, just as a small note, most people don't understand that their characters have limits and actually have to emote being injured. Thus is why I enjoy PvP. Hold on, Sky. Baby. "PVP doesn't harm anyone's experience." -Conclave starts to get raided, active playerbase of 30 drops to 9- "Raids are a natural thing, but can only really happen with PvP, considering the amount of people in a town there can be and also considering how lost the people would be if it was an RP fight." Ildon was never raided, and once upon a time Malinor had a 20+ RP fight with raiders. "A lot of your points seem heavily biased and almost like a desperation attempt for this "RP Haven". Uh, Of course it's biased. And what's /wrong/ with a RP haven? People want things, it doesn't damage the server, it doesn't do anything but give a sect of people a chance to do what they came here for amongst their friends, and a server they love. It's gotta be said - We can't all be chill. We're humans, we succumb to emotion. It happens. Give us a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katherine1 362 Share Posted February 24, 2014 To be completely honest, I think that the problem here is one that can be solved in RP, as Emu has said. If the group cannot survive RPly, then it can't exist as a group. For example, you don't see the Roman Empire still trying to resurface now. It got beaten back and worn down over the centuries. It is a slight OOC advantage, I will say that much. Raiding will become an annoyance, and people will just avoid the town altogether. There is plenty of peaceful RP to be found otherwise, as peaceful characters. Warrior characters will have to PvP at some point (obviously :P), otherwise it doesn't really make sense. A good guard system, and a dedicated playerbase are the first step to staying safe.So if one of the descendant races ceased having it's own nation because of being over raided, you would see this as no problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky 0 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Hold on, Sky. Baby. "PVP doesn't harm anyone's experience." -Conclave starts to get raided, active playerbase of 30 drops to 9- "Raids are a natural thing, but can only really happen with PvP, considering the amount of people in a town there can be and also considering how lost the people would be if it was an RP fight." Ildon was never raided, and once upon a time Malinor had a 20+ RP fight with raiders. Like I said, PvP doesn't harm anyone's experience. They chose to leave the conclave, without trying to fix the problem and will have to live with that, and that is stupid, no? Complaining that it's the other peoples fault, when in reality it's your own people's fault... I mean, instead of trying to do something about it, they gave up and quit... Also, don't patronize me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neri 3590 Share Posted February 24, 2014 RP fights with over 20 people are an exercise in futility unless everyone knows each other OOC'ly. Don't use it as a exhibit when trying to push your point since it only ever worked once out of many times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayfishchris 751 Share Posted February 24, 2014 So if one of the descendant races ceased having it's own nation because of being over raided, you would see this as no problem? If no one ever played humans, elves, orcs, or dwarves... then the nation would be dead. This'll never happen, as there is always a new player looking to join a race. I'm talking more along the lines of separate factions, such as the Adunians (which I believe are the main focus in this). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Like I said, PvP doesn't harm anyone's experience. They chose to leave the conclave, without trying to fix the problem and will have to live with that, and that is stupid, no? Complaining that it's the other peoples fault, when in reality it's your own people's fault... I mean, instead of trying to do something about it, they gave up and quit... Also, don't patronize me. They chose to leave the conclave, without trying to fix the problem and will have to live with that, and that is stupid, no? Not everyone can be as chill as Gaius. When you loose day after day, get your RP constantly interrupted, some people get fed up. And for some reason, instead of going 'Damn, there's a problem' you say 'Dude just deal with it', without realizing that they've tried every last thing they could, and are sick and tired of it happening? Complaining that it's the other peoples fault, when in reality it's your own people's fault... I'm sure sorry we have emotions, and get attached to the 'Pixels' we spent hours, days or months working to get. Because you'd never ever be mad if you lost a 200+ hour save of Skyrim. I mean, instead of trying to do something about it, they gave up and quit... I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's looking like to me, that certain groups enjoy PVP and the thrill of raiding. They don't want to stop, it's fun! That's why diplomacy, fighting them harder, bribing and all that doesn't work. Write a letter asking them to stop? They'll troll it. Pay them tribute? They'll use it against you. Build up your guardforce? It's a mere challenge for them. 'Better get even MORE raiders!' says them. Sometimes, you must realise - OOC is a factor in LOTC because we /live/ in OOC. Not in character. And with OOC minds behind IC ones, OOC will always be entwined with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 If no one ever played humans, elves, orcs, or dwarves... then the nation would be dead. This'll never happen, as there is always a new player looking to join a race. I'm talking more along the lines of separate factions, such as the Adunians (which I believe are the main focus in this). Not quite, I was just using them for the sake of arguement and purpose. PVP and Raiding destroyed a playerbase and a nation, we just couldn't deal with it. When you have no land, you have no food, you starve to death. You loose everything you have, and then get killed on the road for having nothing worth stealing. It drives you away, it really does. And then you don't have fun, when you're one of the last of your playerbase, because all the rest left. That's how it hurts your experience, and such. @Sky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neri 3590 Share Posted February 24, 2014 That's why diplomacy, fighting them harder, bribing and all that doesn't work. Write a letter asking them to stop? They'll troll it. Pay them tribute? They'll use it against you. Build up your guardforce? It's a mere challenge for them. 'Better get even MORE raiders!' says them. Its attitudes like this that make you a target. Conclave has made diplomatic attempts with almost every faction and it's now friendly with Oren, Dwarves, Ex-Talonnii and the non-scourge affiliated Orc clans. How? We treat them with respect IC and OOC and don't call them trolls or look down upon their roleplay or ways of having fun. PS: Stop double posting you twerp. PPS: As someone who never RP'd with the Adunians once, all I observed from outside the box was a group of people who played the victim card constantly, built disposible landscarring builds everywhere and constantly rebelled for seemingly no reason. I'm not insulting you here or anything, this is just what I myself observed. I could easily be wrong. PPPS: You don't want to know how many hours I spent cleaning up after Adunian lands every time they moved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helvetius 314 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just a quick standard question. Why does the town have to be No-PvP? There has not been a single town recently with proper walls going all around since the High Elven city. The rest have been built into mountains and/or whatever which allow people to jump in (Closest thing I've seen to old time cities is the azog fort). A town with actual walls instead of this attempt to make it look good (which fails) with the landscape will do much better. Now, what if this city just has one gate instead of multiple gates? Well, it can stop raiders from the outside from entering and/or leaving so easily. Should this city then have even a partial guard force which can man the gates, everyone inside would be rather safe to do their RP. Albeit you could have criminal organizations form inside the city but those are much easier to flush out as once you kill someone, you can take off their mask/hood/helmet and remove their home. Conclave's weakness? It is built on top of a hill with landscapes for defenses. People make tunnels in and out of the city rather easily from that & enemies can climb the landscape (some have been known to block jump over). Abresi's weakness? There are very easy ways into the city & for those who don't care about block jumping because nobody would see them, it makes for a rather easy target. That is, until the horde of humans show up but between that time and the time the raiders arrived, RP would have already been ruined. Again, you do not need some fancy city with special mountain walls. You only need a city/fort with walls going 100% around to stop many PvP raids. They would get bored and thus leave, protecting your RP players inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Its attitudes like this that make you a target. Conclave has made diplomatic attempts with almost every faction and it's now friendly with Oren, Dwarves, Ex-Talonnii and the non-scourge affiliated Orc clans. How? We treat them with respect IC and OOC and don't call them trolls or look down upon their roleplay or ways of having fun. PS: Stop double posting you twerp. PPS: As someone who never RP'd with the Adunians once, all I observed from outside the box was a group of people who played the victim card constantly, built disposible landscarring builds everywhere and constantly rebelled for seemingly no reason. I'm not insulting you here or anything, this is just what I myself observed. I could easily be wrong. PPPS: You don't want to know how many hours I spent cleaning up after Adunian lands every time they moved. As someone who was part of it internally - I feel really bad for you having to clean up our messes. Honestly, the rebellion aspect was only due to the kilts and paint. If anyone cares about server history, we only rebelled twice. You can't rebel agaisnt a kingdom you don't live in and don't' serve. Also, we played the Victim card because we were victims, most of the time. :c Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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