Tom_Whiteman 949 Share Posted February 24, 2014 You shrugged over my point completely, so I'll just repost it. My character's an Adunian. He tried to get Orcs to stop raiding, they killed him on sight without a word. Back in Kalos, he tried to speak with the WR about not killing the Adunians anymore, he was killed before he said 'Hello'. I wrote letter threads, which got trolled to pieces. 'lol no', that sort of thing.Allies? What allies, for someone who ran a community once as an Adunian, no one wished to deal with us - we were entirely vulnerable, no one could come to help us, and we couldn't aptly defend ourselves. We took a huge hit to our playerbase. -No place will accept us -No one will ally with us -We don't have the numbers or skills to defend -Tried to pay them off, was killed before saying 'Hello' -Tried to convince them via forums, got trolled into oblivion. -Don't have enough resources to pay tributes -Don't have enough players to counter-raid Okay, see the problem? If that was your scenario, how would you deal with it IN ROLEPLAY. Get other nations to help you. If that doesn't work, deal with it or move your village. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski_king3 0 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I hate to lay it out like it is, but.. Someone like me will never, ever ever ever get along well and RP well with someone like a Flay, it just doesn't work. Hardcore RPers are bitter because their RP is disrupted, PVPers are bitter because they don't have any easy victims. Getting raided and PVP'd frequently is not the answer to mending the rift between RPers and PVPers. This isn't a hardcore RP server. There are other servers out there that are hardcore RP servers. If you don't like what this server is, rather than trying to change the identity of the server significantly, go RP on a server that you're more interested in being a part of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Get other nations to help you. If that doesn't work, deal with it or move your village. Somehow, you still managed to miss out on the points. -No place will accept us -No one will ally with us -We don't have the numbers or skills to defend -Tried to pay them off, was killed before saying 'Hello' -Tried to convince them via forums, got trolled into oblivion. -Don't have enough resources to pay tributes -Don't have enough players to counter-raid Okay, see the problem? If that was your scenario, how would you deal with it IN ROLEPLAY. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentoa 3161 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I've never stated that I 'hate' PVPers, just that I don't enjoy PVP. "if you stopped complaining about why PVP is bad and realized how it is a necessary evil then maybe you would understand their point of view.' I know it's needed. Just not 24/7, like it seemingly is for certain groups. "Have you ever simply stopped during a raid and said in IC or OOC: "Hey don't kill me I'll give you my stuff considering you outnumber us 9 to 1" Of course I have. Just when that happens every single day for a month, I get tired of it happening, and extremely bitter at the people. Well you see, several groups have had this problem in the past, my own gypsies got raided by the dwarves and instead of taking the mature way about it back in Elysium, I complained just like you do. I got disheartened and stopped caring about my group and left the idea to rot. However it was the beginning of Anthos when I talked to those players again to discover they don't actually hate the group, they did what they did because it is what their characters would do. The reason the Adunians have it so hard IC is because everyone remembers their 5+ rebellions, oath breaking, complaining and general underhandedness ICly. OOCly you aren't doing them much of a favor by sitting here and crying about how everyone is mean to your people ICly. Despite the fact it is an IC circumstance and the more you get angry about it, the more people are going to resort to PVP to be rid of you and carry on with their experience on LoTC. No one wants to deal with these negative, hateful attitudes on a game they bought to have fun on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 This isn't a hardcore RP server. There are other servers out there that are hardcore RP servers. If you don't like what this server is, rather than trying to change the identity of the server significantly, go RP on a server that you're more interested in being a part of. ...I'm not asking for RP default. I'm asking for a small town where people can't PVP. If that's such a threat to LOTC's identity and people.. why did RP still win the RP-PVP vote? I highly doubt that a small village of dedicated peaceful Roleplayers will ruin the entire server, ski. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Whiteman 949 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Somehow, you still managed to miss out on the points. -No place will accept us -No one will ally with us -We don't have the numbers or skills to defend -Tried to pay them off, was killed before saying 'Hello' -Tried to convince them via forums, got trolled into oblivion. -Don't have enough resources to pay tributes -Don't have enough players to counter-raid Okay, see the problem? If that was your scenario, how would you deal with it IN ROLEPLAY. You completely ignored my point. SOMEONE WILL ALLY WITH YOU. Get someone, no matter if it's a small group it'll still count as an ally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katherine1 362 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Try and pay tribute, counter raid them, wipe them off the map. Do something, stop crying OOCly when someone's raiding you too much.Wipe them off the map? With no permadeath, how do you do that? Aside from over raid them to the point they become frustrated and give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 You completely ignored my point. SOMEONE WILL ALLY WITH YOU. Get someone, no matter if it's a small group it'll still count as an ally. And then get ROFLSTOMPED by the agressors because you still only have 12 people, get disheartened, and leave you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Wipe them off the map? With no permadeath, how do you do that? Aside from over raid them to the point they become frustrated and give up. That's exactly what the White Rose's plan for the Adunians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nug 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2014 pvp-free/conflict-free villages would draw villainous rp away from the villains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 pvp-free/conflict-free villages would draw villainous rp away from the villains. I didn't say conflict free. If you want to kill and torture and attack? Do it in RP. If you want to raid, do it in RP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Whiteman 949 Share Posted February 24, 2014 And then get ROFLSTOMPED by the agressors because you still only have 12 people, get disheartened, and leave you. Get more groups then. This isn't that hard mate, you're just throwing silly events at my points to make me sound stupid. Just try all these suggestions you're getting from this feedback thread, and go do them! I guarantee they'll work out for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayfishchris 751 Share Posted February 24, 2014 To be completely honest, I think that the problem here is one that can be solved in RP, as Emu has said. If the group cannot survive RPly, then it can't exist as a group. For example, you don't see the Roman Empire still trying to resurface now. It got beaten back and worn down over the centuries. It is a slight OOC advantage, I will say that much. Raiding will become an annoyance, and people will just avoid the town altogether. There is plenty of peaceful RP to be found otherwise, as peaceful characters. Warrior characters will have to PvP at some point (obviously :P), otherwise it doesn't really make sense. A good guard system, and a dedicated playerbase are the first step to staying safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanrahan 2983 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 OH. Here's a list of people who would probably live there. That's 131 players. That's alot. So.. Why would we /not/ have a place for what /looks/ like a majourity to go and RP in? If they want PVP, leave the /small/ /tiny/ town, and simply travel /ANYWHERE/ else in 4.0 for PVP. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XMm6l_eaDELi3BpKNqiRe2EnIAggx7OUusjeYmoMJz4/edit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neri 3590 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Maybe if you didn't make so many enemies... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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