[Feedback] Killer Clerics

[The Templar 195]

Get a guard, injure, cripple, find ways to protect yourself instead of killing.

I dont like the idea of people who are there to HEAL killing, period.

Who are /you/ as a healer to decide who lives who dies?

That is how i taught my clerical, how i live my clerical, and how /I/ was taught.

I have plenty of guards, I prefer to use a blindspell, and disagree with how focused the server is on killing. Certain groups however, take these issues OOCly if I do not kill them, and thus I am forced to. A recent incident involving a threatened warclaim for not killing a bandit outright and instead choosing to allow RP to grow from the incident is an example of events being taken OOC.

 

 

Again, you can go get reconnected. Why is that such a hard thing to do?

You kill accidently, fine.

But I think either way, you should lose your connection until you are reconnected by a higher healer such as Hosper.

Once disconnected, you can never be reconnected on the same character. Period.

[dandan1350 479]

You are a priest. You shouldn't be killing even if you are attacked. You say it is hard to protect yourselves when you are being attacked. But Killing really is a last resort thing. You don't /need/ to kill someone to save yourself. You can badly injure them, or knock them out. Instead.

 

Shall comment here, while I may not be a priest healer and a war cleric. Even when one of my own is under attack my answer is to draw as little blood as possible. I play a very hard role in Oren as a cleric and one who cannot kill/harm innocent. I am not only a knight so I must do as someone would order me but also a commander of a guard force. Never once have I had to /EVER/ kill someone in that role besides a harbinger and a man trying to summon some sort of demon creatures. Even in the defense of my characters sworn lord or his family has he ever killed a man? No. He sticks to his belief and makes the man incapable of fighting if its possible in such. Knocking out being the main reason. Even in war and PVP my character would always in RP knock out his targets during the middle of a battle. Booklight up her has it spot on. 

[MamaBearJade 2090]

I have plenty of guards, I prefer to use a blindspell, and disagree with how focused the server is on killing. Certain groups however, take these issues OOCly if I do not kill them, and thus I am forced to. A recent incident involving a threatened warclaim for not killing a bandit outright and instead choosing to allow RP to grow from the incident is an example of events being taken OOC.

then take it to a GM.

This is why i wanted Shielding for Priest healers, something defensive not offensive.

there is /no/ reason a cleric should be allowed to kill.

The fact that you are so fine with it, shows exactly the double standard I am sick of.

Creator clerics were BASHED cause they could kill and heal.

Yet Tah clerics dont? They are perfectly fine with stabbing Joe Blow in the chest then healing their pyromancer friend who tried to kill him.

[Cyndikate 2303]

I'm so glad I went back to this alchemy healing.

Just make the clerics into one being and be done with it.

I'm tired of this Creator vs War Cleric bullshit.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

In self defence, or if the person being killed is BLATANTLY evil: i.e, necromancer, slaver, psychopath, et cetera.

[dandan1350 479]

In self defence, or if the person being killed is BLATANTLY evil: i.e, necromancer, slaver, psychopath, et cetera.

 

Even slavers and psychopaths should not be harmed sadly, unless they have taint in their body. :/

[MamaBearJade 2090]

I'm so glad I went back to this alchemy healing.

Just make the clerics into one being and be done with it.

I'm tired of this Creator vs War Cleric bullshit.

This isnt Creator vs Tah bs.

This is getting rid of the double standard that was causing the rift in the first place.

People cared little whether we were tah or Creator until Creator clerics were caught killing

Then the complaints started about how Creator Clerics were killing someone then healing their buddy.

Come to find out, Tah clerics are doing the exact same thing.

[yopplwasupxxx 5946]

creator clerics can kill cause god wills it ;)

[Neri 3590]

Aenguls cant pull the plug on their follower's powers anyway, so if you kill someone accidentally just plead it to the people who can excommunicate you, it's up to them if they strip your powers or not. Clerics should actively hunt down 'killer clerics' just like Druids hunt down deviants of their own order.

[Lyuin 65]

Come to find out, Tah clerics are doing the exact same thing.

Can't speak for all of us but from what I've seen. Our priests haven't been going around killing...

The most I've seen done is Lenia, leg it from a Lucien and ring the belltower.

 

 

 

 

Aenguls cant pull the plug on their follower's powers anyway, so if you kill someone accidentally just plead it to the people who can excommunicate you, it's up to them if they strip your powers or not. Clerics should actively hunt down 'killer clerics' just like Druids hunt down deviants of their own order.

I think that's a decent solution. 

[dandan1350 479]

Aenguls cant pull the plug on their follower's powers anyway, so if you kill someone accidentally just plead it to the people who can excommunicate you, it's up to them if they strip your powers or not. Clerics should actively hunt down 'killer clerics' just like Druids hunt down deviants of their own order.

 

That we do, if we catch wind of a rouge cleric they are hunted down by the few of us strong enough and drag them off to the Itharel council chambers for a long and very drawn out trial so as not to be so rushed when disconnecting someone permanently from their magic. They go through several questions, a mental mage if one can be found would be called upon. Also the witnesses of the events brought to it.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

Can't speak for all of us but from what I've seen. Our priests haven't been going around killing...

The most I've seen done is Lenia, leg it from a Lucien and ring the belltower.

took you guys a month to get Primrose when she tried to "purify" a child to death, one the clerics are now supposed to be keeping safe

[Demotheus 651]

took you guys a month to get Primrose when she tried to "purify" a child to death, one the clerics are now supposed to be keeping safe

What do you mean "purify"? Why is that in quotes? What if...maybe...just maybe...she wasn't out to kill the child? JUST MAYBE?! Nah, that'd be to simple. Had to be twisted and insane, trying to murder said 'child'.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

What do you mean "purify"? Why is that in quotes? What if...maybe...just maybe...she wasn't out to kill the child? JUST MAYBE?! Nah, that'd be to simple. Had to be twisted and insane, trying to murder said 'child'.

She was being yelled at by 5 people she was killing the child. It was later admitted it was intentional.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Jade, we've literally had this conversation in Skype, minutes ago. At this point you're simply trying to start drama, I believe.

 

[4/20/14 5:54:38 PM] Jade: On 4/20/14, at 5:49 PM, Jade wrote:
> clerics can not kill correct?
if they kill they stop progressing/lose their magic

[4/20/14 5:54:49 PM] warcoyote4445: Clerics cannot kill with their divine magics.
[4/20/14 5:55:08 PM] warcoyote4445: If they do intend to solve mortal disputes, they must do so as a mortal, not a divine agent.
[4/20/14 5:55:21 PM] warcoyote4445: Killing with your bare hands is fine, killing with magics, is not.
[4/20/14 5:55:28 PM] Jade: and this is why people hate creator clerics
[4/20/14 5:55:36 PM] Jade: its not just the creator clerics
[4/20/14 5:55:49 PM] Jade: you have TAH clerics that kill with blades/poisons
[4/20/14 5:55:59 PM] warcoyote4445: That has always been allowed.
[4/20/14 5:56:12 PM] warcoyote4445: Creator clerics have resorted to killing with magics, however, in the past.
[4/20/14 5:56:17 PM] warcoyote4445: Rather abundantly.
[4/20/14 5:57:23 PM] Jade: no, the reason people would get upset at creator clerics was because they could harm people and then heal their buddy, meaning they could be chaotic evil, and still be a ******* cleric...
[4/20/14 5:58:18 PM] warcoyote4445: If you can give me an example of clerical order clerics abundantly killing, then I will reconsider my standpoints.
[4/20/14 5:58:57 PM] Jade: Primrose harmed a child, trying to KILL HER with clerical magic, they are planning to open an assassins guild
[4/20/14 5:58:59 PM] Jade: that enough for you?
[4/20/14 5:59:25 PM] warcoyote4445: Primrose as far as I know isn't part of the order any longer for several reasons.
[4/20/14 5:59:32 PM] warcoyote4445: We had multiple issues with their RP.
[4/20/14 5:59:41 PM] warcoyote4445: They were also banned for lewd role-play.
[4/20/14 5:59:50 PM] Jade: well he sure thinks he is still and no he isnt
[4/20/14 6:00:16 PM] warcoyote4445: http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/107745-natethegreats-ban-appeal/?hl=natethegreat
[4/20/14 6:00:25 PM] warcoyote4445: Unbanned now, but still was banned.
[4/20/14 6:04:10 PM] warcoyote4445: [4/20/14 6:01:37 PM] warcoyote4445: Is Primrose still part of the Order?
[4/20/14 6:02:00 PM] Astartes` The Paladin Templar: As far as I have been informed, yes.
[4/20/14 6:04:15 PM] warcoyote4445: Correction, she is.
[4/20/14 6:04:25 PM] warcoyote4445: [4/20/14 6:02:42 PM] warcoyote4445: This true?
[4/20/14 6:02:51 PM] Astartes` The Paladin Templar: Erm, I think hosper dealt with that one
[4/20/14 6:02:55 PM] warcoyote4445: Righto.
[4/20/14 6:04:29 PM] warcoyote4445: Quoted you, this is the response.
[4/20/14 6:04:40 PM] warcoyote4445: It's since been corrected, it's also worth noting she's a pupil.
[4/20/14 6:05:12 PM] warcoyote4445: [4/20/14 6:04:49 PM] warcoyote4445: She still considered a pupil?
[4/20/14 6:05:02 PM] Jake the Dog: She a Cleric in training
[4/20/14 6:05:13 PM] Jade: well, i am still peeved at the double standards.
[4/20/14 6:05:38 PM] warcoyote4445: Part of the argument here though, is if she went off to be a creator cleric, none of this would have had the potential to be corrected.
[4/20/14 6:05:44 PM] warcoyote4445: Being within the order means corrections can be made.
[4/20/14 6:05:53 PM] warcoyote4445: That's the point of the order, people learn the magic properly.
[4/20/14 6:06:36 PM] warcoyote4445: Not exactly double standards considering we at no point condoned her action, it was an error on her part, and has since been corrected/is in the process of being corrected.
[4/20/14 6:06:40 PM] Jade: not my fault no one made a damn order
[4/20/14 6:06:54 PM] Jade: i been trying to correct it as soon as I heard about killer clerics
[4/20/14 6:08:50 PM] warcoyote4445: I mean, at risk of making you potentially mad, there's already an order.
[4/20/14 6:09:09 PM] warcoyote4445: Any effort you make to make a 'creator cleric' order would be terribly redundant and blatant copying.
[4/20/14 6:09:17 PM] warcoyote4445: It would be simpler to just meld back into the original order.
[4/20/14 6:09:24 PM] Jade: no thank you
[4/20/14 6:09:37 PM] warcoyote4445: Well, not sure what to say to you, really.
[4/20/14 6:09:38 PM] Jade: unlike you, i rather avoid a witch hunt
[4/20/14 6:09:50 PM] warcoyote4445: I'm not sure what you mean by that.
[4/20/14 6:10:09 PM] Jade: basically i dont want anymore reasons for oren to witch hunt ANY of my characters
[4/20/14 6:10:15 PM] Jade: i am honestly sick of it
[4/20/14 6:11:10 PM] warcoyote4445: Part of the reason legitimate clerics are being hunted in the first place is due to creator cleric presence.
[4/20/14 6:11:27 PM] warcoyote4445: It's silliness.
[4/20/14 6:11:35 PM] Jade: oren looks for ANY excuse to hunt
[4/20/14 6:11:58 PM] Jade: creating a "creator cleric" order could help fix that, and maybe make some bonds with the clerical order
[4/20/14 6:12:46 PM] warcoyote4445: I don't speak for everyone, but I don't anticipate that having very positive results.
[4/20/14 6:13:06 PM] warcoyote4445: It's up to you, ultimately. I've repeated myself countless times about the lore and reasoning behind creator clerics.
[4/20/14 6:13:26 PM] warcoyote4445: Whatever you latch onto, go ahead, I'm not really interested in trying to correct you/argue with you any further.