[Idea] Redoing The Human Races

[PtahWithin 1320]

Do something like with the elves. You can immediately tell a Dark Elf from a High Elf, or either of those from a Wood Elf -

 

If it is done properly. There's been a problem where many have made Wood Elves without tanned skin, and so it can be confusing to identify them. If you give each subrace of humans a clear identifier, like elves have with skin color, you'd have to OOCly and ICly enforce it. I'm not sure what you can use though: most humans are generically white, so skin color doesn't seem like a good candidate. Hair? Anyone can have any hair color. Eyes? Same. Perhaps some combination of these in specific? Maybe...

[Lago 2572]

The whole concept of this idea was also to distinguish raids and such, any folk can make a bandit character as a human, harass a nation and run off sparking a war, but with these "subraces" or "subcatagories" it helps distinguish who is attacking, for example...

 

"Those Raevir folk raided us today, I could tell by their accent and attributes" (IE: height, hair colour, eye colour)

Rather than..

"HUMANS JUST ATTACKED THE ELVES, RALLY THE MEN FOR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR"

With something like this in place, it distinguishes who is really attacking who, and avoids mix ups within the kingdom, and independent human folks. Well at least, I hope it would.

 

Now that's clever.

[Draeris 3124]

The Human race is known for its diversity and complexity. Many cultures under cultures exist, but its merely what the human race is. I understand that this may be hard for players, but its the diversity that defines us. I believe that with proper accents, proper roads and sense of direction. We can accomplish alot!. As a steward of Oren myself I find many players who have no idea where to go, but I simply direct them and give suggestions good enough for them to find their proper path and can join among their kin. 

 

The way Senda is planning the Imperial Office of the Steward and the new Orenian government under Sheumgal is promoting better roleplay, I'm sure that soon enough we would become a leading example for the /human/ community and this problem would solve itself.. After all, as being an Illatian under an Illatian house myself, I am mostly recognized by my accent.. Or signs stating our residence.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

 

It's true, Adunian's arn't a sub-race of humans, they are a different race altogether. Nice to see that acknowledged!

 

Also, brilliant idea.

 

Adunians are a sub-race of humans as much as Bretons are a sub race of humans in the elder scrolls.

 

Anyways, good idea, Knox, but there are a ****-TON of Human cultures. The main ones, however, I think are:

 

Raevir

Heartlander

Adunian

Auvergnian

Kaedreni

 

What I think needs to happen is we need to make a mega thread, a pinned thread in human roleplay going in depth explaining the culture, appearance and customs of each culture for new players to read and understand.

[yopplwasupxxx 5946]

Adunians under the Northerner blanket imo, and Auv-whatevers and Kaedrini under Heartlanders.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Well right now the way a lot of people see it is if you're not a Raevir you're pretty much a heartlander. THIS is how I think we should classify humans:

 

Raevirs: There's a whole lot of them, pretty distinct culture. Immediately recognizable names and accents.

 

Adunians: Distinguishable because of elven blood. (Think TES Bretons). Most have Gaelic accent, and should be recognized as distinct because of their long history of being seperate from the rest of humanity (even if a lot of them are part of the empire now)

 

Southerons: Black and arabic looking people.

 

Northerners: Hansetians fall under this fold. Anyone with a germanic accent and comes from a cold place could claim to be a northerner.

 

Heartlanders: If you aren't a Raevir, and don't have elven blood like an Adunian, you're a heartlander. Heartlanders accents and customs vary wildly amongst themselves as the heartland is a very diverse place, and the capital of the humans is almost always a cultural melting pot. All other current sub-cultures, i.e Auvergian, Kaedreni, Rhenyar, etc, fall under Heartlanders.

 

 

BASICALLY the more sub races we have the more confusing it is for new players and old players alike, I think this is the best way to classify it.

[mmat 7460]

I like this, it doesn't really make any real changes to the dynamics of the cultures but it groups them in such a way that it is simpler for new players to understand. 

[Knox213 10]

Well right now the way a lot of people see it is if you're not a Raevir you're pretty much a heartlander. THIS is how I think we should classify humans:

 

Raevirs: There's a whole lot of them, pretty distinct culture. Immediately recognizable names and accents.

 

Adunians: Distinguishable because of elven blood. (Think TES Bretons). Most have Gaelic accent, and should be recognized as distinct because of their long history of being seperate from the rest of humanity (even if a lot of them are part of the empire now)

 

Southerons: Black and arabic looking people.

 

Northerners: Hansetians fall under this fold. Anyone with a germanic accent and comes from a cold place could claim to be a northerner.

 

Heartlanders: If you aren't a Raevir, and don't have elven blood like an Adunian, you're a heartlander. Heartlanders accents and customs vary wildly amongst themselves as the heartland is a very diverse place, and the capital of the humans is almost always a cultural melting pot. All other current sub-cultures, i.e Auvergian, Kaedreni, Rhenyar, etc, fall under Heartlanders.

 

 

BASICALLY the more sub races we have the more confusing it is for new players and old players alike, I think this is the best way to classify it.

I see where you are getting at, but heartlanders, as senda I believe mentioned are city dwellers as such, and are grouped by many of the current noble houses, which is why I would rather have them put down as a subrace, Human would /still/ be there, but this just distinguishes a players.

 

Also, quick edit. I'll be getting in contact with most leaders of the subraces, well. The ones who deserve to be there.

[Kaiser 2347]

Knox has not mentioned Halflings as a type of human as half the server does.

 

Much respect... many +1's....

[Knox213 10]

Knox has not mentioned Halflings as a type of human as half the server does.

 

Much respect... many +1's....

nah, I don't recognise them as human subrace, I just see them as garden gnomes.

[PtahWithin 1320]

If you want, I can give you my assistance as a lore master to help you sort this all out.

[Kickstarted and Running 965]

I see where you are getting at, but heartlanders, as senda I believe mentioned are city dwellers as such, and are grouped by many of the current noble houses, which is why I would rather have them put down as a subrace, Human would /still/ be there, but this just distinguishes a players.

 

Also, quick edit. I'll be getting in contact with most leaders of the subraces, well. The ones who deserve to be there.

Heartlander has been as Leo described it since early Oren in Asulon. City dwellers would be commoners in class and could be a variety of ethnicities.

What way Senda describes it would mean a Raevir living in a city would immediately be a Heartlander which makes no sense.

Leo has it perfectly.

[John Ivory 4546]

I don't think we Humans even need sub-races. The ones you listed, Knox, are plainly culture based and different ethnicities.

[Cjmate 1270]

Nah, Southerners are going to be removed anyway from what i've heard, I like the idea though Cj, but that links in with what I said in terms of people "exploring" to find the lands of heartlanders and such, which then gives them that influence to act like a heartlander, obviously i'd need talk to a few people to edit the wiki for these "subraces" and such. 

It can be put on paper, but in the end a lot of Humans will not want to label themselves. Especially the ones that do not live in Oren. They will continue to just go by Human and not bother with specifics. Mainly because those people would not want to be labelled as anything related to Oren, and all of the subraces are traditionally Oren.

 

These are people like the Adunians, Human druids, Humans living with Elves, and the randoms (Those people that just build random towns and no one really knows who they are or where they came from).

 

Edit: I agree with Firestar. These subraces that you listed are mainly culturally based, and there are no key physical traits that separate them from the others. Southeron got by being so small because their skin sets them apart easily, they are very easy to contrast. It is not as easy to breakdown Northerons into even smaller subraces.

 

Edit2: It is the same thing with High Elves, the Wood Elves, and the Dark Elves. They all have acute physical traits that separate them from each other. You would have to change the way that each new sub-race looks in order to pull it off.

[paulie 181]

2) Assign said racial groups to cities relevant to their race.

Most people just end up in one city anyway, because of how dominate one race is and how they want to be around the action