Reformism

[James Turnbull 25]

A small pamphlet is distributed across the lands of the Holy Orenian Empire discretely, to Lords, Clergy, and the Emperor himself.

 

To those pious men of the realm;

 

We walk now in the wake of the truth. The Church’s response to my most recent declaration is clearly folly, an effort to defend itself with failing logic and irresponsible declarations. I will detail the dismemberment of their defensive and accusatory response herein;

 

“Such words from a man not inducted or versed in the Holy Scrolls is heresy.”

 

I am very much a man versed in those Holy Scrolls up to the most recent discoveries of the Scripture. I challenge you to detail the Admonishment of God’s many children by Him, or otherwise any excerpt of the Scrolls in a way far superior to myself. I claim to be equal in my knowledge, no greater or worse; but certainly not ignorant.

 

“Our lord GOD has placed his trust in the previous Pontificates and has done so within our current Church. If the only two examples you can find are John of Darfey and Regulus then you are unfortunately at a loss, for let us not forget Blessed Daniel I, St. Lucien, St. Everard, Blessed Adeodatus, High Priests Marcus, and Bernard, this Church has produced pious men and women.”

 

Our lord GOD’s will can not be determined by this letter you write. Bestow upon me the action or excerpt from the Gospels which determines the Church and the High Pontiff as God’s willful messengers, and I shall yield you this. You simply assume to know God’s trust has been placed in you.

 

I agree with my opponent on another point, however. There are many pious men and women produced by the Church. But the question is whether all men seated as High Pontiff are pious, genuine, and divinely inspired; not whether most of them are. If even one High Pontiff were evidently counter to the sanctity of God’s ministry or the traditions of the Church, then surely by my opponent's own standards they are not divinely inspired; therefore the High Pontiff is not an inherent voice of God, who wields a divine and irrefutable connection to Him.

 

“As for your interpretation of Canon Law, his Holiness bares no responsibility for the twisting of previous legislation passed under the yoke. He will however prioritize the updating of Canon Law as well as amend the finite passage that allowed the Auditor to act in the manor he did.”

 

I interpret nothing. The laws permitted the Auditor to do as he did, even to the point where you yourselves found it necessary to amend the law. How can a law which was written by man that must have been false, for it was amended, be the will of God? How can a law which was written and amended by man be the will of God?

 

"The Church furthermore invites John Tuner to join the clergy if he wishes to express his ecclesiastical opinions with access to our holy scripture."

 

I have access to known copies made of the Holy Scriptures, and I do not need the permission of your Ministry to practice and debate matters theological as His servant. I am no heretic.

So there you have it.

The responses presented by the Church to my previous letter (detailed above) has proven they are incapable of understanding the falsehood in their divine precedents, as well as any acknowledgement as to the matter and necessity of Free Investiture, to free the Lords of the realm from agents of this corrupted Ministry.

 

I call upon my brothers faithful, scholars, monks, priests, bishops and Lords, turn from Everard II, henceforth to be known solely as the Bishop of Luciensport, as your divine word-giver. Know him as a colleague in doing God’s work and nothing more, and continue on your paths as men who seek to teach all of God and His word. In order to establish a true peace amongst the Faithful, separate from the corrupted Ministry which seeks to further itself by declaring divine provenance, we must understand what we separate ourselves for.

 

These are my suggestions, as a brother and scholar to you all, for the Doctrine by which this Reform may prosper.

 

• The only true word of God is the Holy Scrolls, and no mortal man can assume to know God’s will detailed elsewhere, for he is not knowable and all-knowing.
• The Church of the Canon is a body through which God’s faith is spread, and those who follow the Canonist faiths will be respected as brothers in the faith. However, the Canonist clergy will not be acknowledged as leaders of the Reformist faithful, and will not be permitted to practice the sacraments in the lands of Reformist lords till they renounce the supposed divine knowledge of the High Pontiff and the assumed infallibility of clergymen.
• Individual preachers and friars whom spread God’s word and perform sacraments upon God’s faithful shall be acknowledged not as the Church’s servants, but God’s Himself.
• It is the role of the Reformist clergy not to dictate or amend the Holy Scrolls, but instead solely act according to their words, and teach interpretations of those Scrolls so that the faithful layman may know them and their meanings.
• The lords of the realm must have the capacity to determine the clergy allowed to practice in their lands; Free Investiture.
• The performance of the sacraments of the faith are an imperative part of an individual’s connection with God, as well as prayer. In these ways, and not through the Church of the Canon, can the faithful establish a relationship with God transcendent of mortal interference.

 

These are merely my suggestions, and matters I believe require discussion. I shall be meeting with those whom seek to offer more suggestions, and will aid me in continuing to craft further documentation for this most righteous Reform. Again and finally, I beseech the Church to submit itself to truth, a most holy virtue, and surrender to me my accuracies.

 

God's will is not man's to decide.

 

By the Grace of God,

James Turnbull

Edited November 18, 2015 by James Turnbull

[Church of the Canon 230]

divine knowledge of the High Pontiff and the assumed infallibility of clergymen.

Every problem that has been brought before me has been dealt with. Furthermore you cannot reform something that is not for your eyes to see. I've already invited you into the light so that I might hear you in person and negotiate but to no avail, what else can be done if you refuse to talk good conscience. If you truly want to support the Church of the faithful then join in with our clergy, as it is their place in this world to read and interpret the holy scriptures for the populace.

 

The Church will never bow to illegitimate causes, and by the Grace of God it shall remain as such.

Edited November 18, 2015 by Church of the Canon

[Jachnun 566]

Noel would sigh reading the missive begrudgingly. He goes to pen a response to the author,

 

To whomever it may concern, this man speaks truth of recent fallacies committed by the Pentarchy. False and Darfeyist laws written by the Clerical head of the Grand Jury. Aye, this is all true. But, Everad II has proven time and time again that he is a just and pious vicar of god, which is a trait that has been lacking since the election of Sixtus III and Daniel II.

 

It is false to call a reform against this just man after he CONDEMNED the trial to be held by the clerical grand jury over the actions of the late Augustus of Alsace. I plead any man who reads this responsum to think twice before having the slightest thought of doubting his holiness, and to direct their disgruntled ire to the Pentarchs who brought this fallacy upon us.

 

[Sultan 3953]

Noel would sigh reading the missive begrudgingly. He goes to pen a response to the author,

 

To whomever it may concern, this man speaks truth of recent fallacies committed by the Pentarchy. False and Darfeyist laws written by the Clerical head of the Grand Jury. Aye, this is all true. But, Everad II has proven time and time again that he is a just and pious vicar of god, which is a trait that has been lacking since the election of Sixtus III and Daniel II.

 

It is false to call a reform against this just man after he CONDEMNED the trial to be held by the clerical grand jury over the actions of the late Augustus of Alsace. I plead any man who reads this responsum to think twice before having the slightest thought of doubting his holiness, and to direct their disgruntled ire to the Pentarchs who brought this fallacy upon us.

 

 

 

A weak statement, the man put Darfey as an old example although he did so wrongly. You think everything you wish can be blamed on Darfey? Like the many unproven and nonfactual allegations made against him? One thing is known during Darfey's time in the Church, the Church rose from a none entity to the strongest power in Oren. And the only reason Darfy is seen as Corrupt and such, is because the Imperial government feared him so much that they plotted against the man that sat them on the Imperial Throne.  

 

The sword that killed King Franz was his guards sword not the eighty year old Darfey's. Furthermore the killers of king Franz linage are noblemen today and clergymen.

 

Since the High Pontiff also commented on his infallibility and him being the Vicar of God, I would like to ask who started that?Do you condemn them?

 

The solution is simple, no High Pontiff was ever corrupt or evil, Darfey and Ruglus are smeared because of politics nothing else the Church should revise their statements about both of them. The same way the Church revised its statement about Owyn and Radomir.

[Jachnun 566]

Noel would sigh reading the missive begrudgingly. He goes to pen a response to the author,

 

To whomever it may concern, this man speaks truth of recent fallacies committed by the Pentarchy. False and Darfeyist laws written by the Clerical head of the Grand Jury. Aye, this is all true. But, Everad II has proven time and time again that he is a just and pious vicar of god, which is a trait that has been lacking since the election of Sixtus III and Daniel II.

 

It is false to call a reform against this just man after he CONDEMNED the trial to be held by the clerical grand jury over the actions of the late Augustus of Alsace. I plead any man who reads this responsum to think twice before having the slightest thought of doubting his holiness, and to direct their disgruntled ire to the Pentarchs who brought this fallacy upon us.

 

 

 

 

A weak statement, the man put Darfey as an old example although he did so wrongly. You think everything you wish can be blamed on Darfey? Like the many unproven and nonfactual allegations made against him? One thing is known during Darfey's time in the Church, the Church rose from a none entity to the strongest power in Oren. And the only reason Darfy is seen as Corrupt and such, is because the Imperial government feared him so much that they plotted against the man that sat them on the Imperial Throne.  

 

The sword that killed King Franz was his guards sword not the eighty year old Darfey's. Furthermore the killers of king Franz linage are noblemen today and clergymen.

 

Since the High Pontiff also commented on his infallibility and him being the Vicar of God, I would like to ask who started that?Do you condemn them?

 

The solution is simple, no High Pontiff was ever corrupt or evil, Darfey and Ruglus are smeared because of politics nothing else the Church should revise their statements about both of them. The same way the Church revised its statement about Owyn and Radomir.

Noel would respond to the man, "You seem to deviate off point. This is not an argument about the legitimacy of Darfey or Regulus, they were used as examples as frowned upon spiritual leaders, the same way I used Sixtus III and Daniel II as frowned upon spiritual leaders.

As for your other points, this missive is sanctioned by someone from the government in regards to the recent trial of Augustus. Now, I am arguing that the pleas against the clerical laws are legitimate, but that it is false to blame Everad for them not listening to his commands." 

[James Turnbull 25]

The High Pontiff claims to be divinely inspired. This in and of itself is blaspheme, for no man knows God's will. This is the primary issue I wish to represent and resolve.

 

This is not a matter of 'some' or 'few.' God is absolute, if all High Pontiffs are chosen by him to lead the Faith, then they must be of utmost virtue and inspired by His word which guides with perfection. They are not, though, and therefore they do not speak God's word unto us. 

 

If even one law is false and must be amended, it is not God's law.

 

A single falter is proof enough. The High Pontiff is not God's avatar, but merely his faithful servant whom administers the Church. In order to dismantle this notion, Clerics whom support it must be barred from practicing their falseness in the lands of the faithful. The most peaceful way to go about this would be the instatement of free investiture.

 

I condemned the Emperor in my previous letter. This is by no means an issue by the State, which I oppose for it's slothfulness and inability to rid us of the infallible doctrines the Church has produced. I hope soon that he gains resolve, and acts, lest he be a simple and willing observer as the Church continues its' development of destructive precedents.

Edited November 18, 2015 by James Turnbull

[Jachnun 566]

You call for a reformation against a Pontiff who is just. You twisted his holiness' words for your own. You stand behind a cover of cowardice and snake like attributes. I plead everyone to forsake the words of this craven whoreson who speaks so ill against the just Pontiff without even having a sliver of courage to show his true self.

 

I would much rather be guided by a man who was rightfully elected by the honorable pentarchs years ago, rather than an inaudible tool who hides behind a piece of paper. Penalizing him over misuse of terms is foolish and redundant. 

Edited November 18, 2015 by Jachnun

[Haribo 385]

The Auditor of the Church of the Canon, Abbot Clemens August von Pondt reads over the text slightly puzzled by the words.

 

"A reformation with the intent to change church legislation? Seems like a very insignificant and petty reformation. The sole issue this John billed is in fact extremely fixable as all it requires is a proposed amendment, one that is currently being drafted in fact with the approval of important secular authorities, and a majority vote from the Synod and at last the signature of the High Pontiff for the legislature to be promulgated. I do not see the necessity for attempting create a whole new church without the structure or legislature of the Church of the Canon, when we can easily amend it with input from the aforementioned reformists."

Edited November 18, 2015 by Haribo

[James Turnbull 25]

To be accurate, I have called for no new church, merely a reform to the doctrine which declares the High Pontiff divinely inspired, and freedom for the Lords of the realm in the form of free investiture. I have asked men of Faith to turn away from the fallacy that God's voice is spoken through the High Pontiff.

 

My various opponents have attacked me personally; a heretic, craven, whoreson. Their outcry and argument has been almost entirely, 'You must not demand people turn away from the High Pontiff, for he is just.' I have no hatred for Everard, or his fellow clergy. I simply believe them to be diluted in their ridiculous belief that man can speak for God.

 

I will no longer offer a response unless my opponents address the matter of the High Pontiff's unjust declaration of divine inspiration, the divinity of the Canon Laws, or the i statement of free investiture. I am not here to argue on fallacies and irrelevancies.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2015 by James Turnbull

[Heff 2460]

 

His Royal Highness, Harold Winter II, Rightful Emperor of Oren and Her Territories, King of Herendul and Defender of the Common Man, would pour over the document.

"Har! And I'm the High Pontiff himself!" says Rafael.

[Sky 0]

Anonymity is a strange tool to use, on one hand you could merely be a concerned citizen who truly believes the words you write and then on the other you could easily be a trouble-maker wishing to cause trouble where it's not needed. These days I see no reason to be hiding behind a pen-name when it comes to looking to better one's community, for it only causes suspicion on the writer. If you truly wish to better the church, please come forward with your true identity so that we may have a much more civilized dialogue between us. Unless of course you wish to remain anonymous which will only continue to raise suspicion on the source reasoning for such letters to be written. Pens Lars. 

[John Verum 3]

James, once again you prove yourself to be ignorant and hypocritical. By demanding reform of the church, and renouncing the position of pontiff you make the assumption that you yourself know the will of God. This is the very crime you accuse the Pontiff of committing. I agree with you, no man knows the will of God, and the position of Pontiff is not exempt from this. However the church at it's current state promotes a unity in the faith that would not exist if reform would take place. The organization of the Church, is that created by man, but it still does it's job to enact the will of the Creator. Look at history and tell me if the faith would be stronger if not for the church. I ask you to stop these ridiculous pleas and instead help promote the faith. The church in it's current state is the most efficient tool we have to spread the word of the Creator, and therefore it would be above ignorance to get rid of it. Canonical law may need to be amended now and again in order to promote a Godly church, as is the example in recent times. However that does not mean to burn down the church we have and start anew. Please my friend, look at reason.

Go with the Creator

John Vernum

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