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[Stag 3234]

The LM team has recently (or not so) taken up the  policy of leaving out reasons for the denial of lore on the actual thread.

 

While I think it's fine for the team to operate in their own way I do believe it helps to list the reasons for denial so the entire community can see. 

 

The reason for this is simple. When lore is produced it is usually not only the lore writer who take an interest in it and if lore is denied having free access to the reasons leads to better collaboration between writers as well as giving a conclusion to those who watch lore threads.

 

Just putting this here and hopes that it'll be considered ^_^ 

[BonesOfTheEarth 2252]

Yes

[Harri 4815]

Pretty sure Benbo always tells people to PM him on why Lore was denied, and he normally tells them.

[Aesopian 1640]

I've never received a list of reasons or a message containing reasons for lore denial. 

[mitto 2312]

I understand sort of the reasoning, it sort of hidden for a reason, in order to keep people discovering similarly to working out to the science of the world in real life. However, it's silly. It makes it hard for people to write good and creative lore without steeping on toes, toes that are never even declared. Although lore posted by a lore master has a higher success rate of being approved, simply because they have more knowledge that the general playerbase don't.

 

I would like to see an LoTC which allowed more leniency towards player written lore that wasn't so mind mindbogglingly irrelevant to anything remotely to do with fun, lore master lore can be cool but input from the playerbase is a lot more wholesome. Allow people at least a fighting chance, let them know why it wont work, give them time to fix it. Worry about the potential fun and roleplay it can bring, that should always come first!

 

:D

[drfate786 1690]

45 minutes ago, mitto said:

I understand sort of the reasoning, it sort of hidden for a reason, in order to keep people discovering similarly to working out to the science of the world in real life. However, it's silly. It makes it hard for people to write good and creative lore without steeping on toes, toes that are never even declared. Although lore posted by a lore master has a higher success rate of being approved, simply because they have more knowledge that the general playerbase don't.

 

I would like to see an LoTC which allowed more leniency towards player written lore that wasn't so mind mindbogglingly irrelevant to anything remotely to do with fun, lore master lore can be cool but input from the playerbase is a lot more wholesome. Allow people at least a fighting chance, let them know why it wont work, give them time to fix it. Worry about the potential fun and roleplay it can bring, that should always come first!

 

:D

 

Your forgetting the nature of the LM and about half of the people who use their special snowflake lore. LM's are part of the circle jerk and simply won't allow anyone to write lore as it will make them lose power. The LM's don't care about the community, they only care about themselves and the delusions they live in.

[MamaBearJade 2090]

As a lore writer who has both accepted and denied lore, if I spend hours writing lore, I would like a list as to why my lore is denied. A paragraph or even a list that takes 10 minutes to write should not be too much to ask.

[Tsuyose 3285]

1 hour ago, drfate786 said:

 

Your forgetting the nature of the LM and about half of the people who use their special snowflake lore. LM's are part of the circle jerk and simply won't allow anyone to write lore as it will make them lose power. The LM's don't care about the community, they only care about themselves and the delusions they live in.

This is so warped beyond belief, please stop. Thanks.

[Tsuyose 3285]

37 minutes ago, Time Lady of Kittens said:

As a lore writer who has both accepted and denied lore, if I spend hours writing lore, I would like a list as to why my lore is denied. A paragraph or even a list that takes 10 minutes to write should not be too much to ask.

All lore is always provided with the reasons for their denial via PMs.

 

There's no need, nor does it benefit anyone whatsoever, for everyone else to see why their lore is being denied (except for the lore writer.)

[Abyssus 487]

27 minutes ago, Tsuyose said:

There's no need, nor does it benefit anyone whatsoever, for everyone else to see why their lore is being denied (except for the lore writer.)

 

Sure it does, if your writing a piece that is even slightly remotely similar to the lore posted it helps to see why such things in the past were denied, as it helps you to rectify your own lore.

 

I'd personally see this as an advantage to save the loremasters time, as a person could see the errors with one piece, and make sure they're own lore didn't have such errors. So you wouldn't be denying a lore piece for the same reasons twice in a row.

[Stag 3234]

5 hours ago, Tsuyose said:

All lore is always provided with the reasons for their denial via PMs.

 

There's no need, nor does it benefit anyone whatsoever, for everyone else to see why their lore is being denied (except for the lore writer.)

 

Yeah lore always is given reasons for denial if asked however I truly disagree when you say there is no need or benefit. That sounds like an excuse to me, Tsu. Players, those who write lore and those who don't but may in the future, get a much better understanding of how lore works, what fits into LOTC, what doesn't fit into LOTC, and many other things applicable to their own writing. When lore is submitted it becomes apart of the creative process that drives LOTC and the staff should be encouraging players to participate in all facets of content creation whether it be a success or a failure.

[E__V__O 2000]

What I don't understand is, some lore proposals getting comments by LM's which give helpful ideas and tips to fix while others do not.

 

Maybe do that for all lore besides denying ones that can potentially be fixed.

[Supremacy 3361]

I understand sort of the reasoning, it sort of hidden for a reason, in order to keep people discovering similarly to working out to the science of the world in real life. — @mitto

 

TBH, that's not true. To be entirely honest I wish people tried to work out how the world works IC. But no one ever PMs anyone asking if X does Y or... really anything. No one experiments. And thus, the only people who know about the world know it from the few events which float around.

 

The reason we don't have denial reasons is we grew accustomed to telling players privately if they asked. TBH, we have all the reasons. Its not hard for us to post them publicly. 

 

[Tsuyose 3285]

Do you have any qualms with this thread being concluded due to the LT reform?

[Zindran 590]

Moved to The Great Library. It shall be sorted into the appropriate category shortly.

 

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