Naj 545 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Lvke said: This is just simple shilling to the nth degree. There's a reason for all the pent-up anger, and it's because the playerbase, most notably the largest on the server, feels unjustly targeted by the moderation team that is supposed to ensure that the server remains fresh and fun. When you have a team that is actively biased against one nation, is composed of an oligarchic clique of people and actively stifles and repeals legitimate roleplay such as the High Elven coup, it doesn't just affect Oren. In fact, many of the threads I've seen criticising the moderation team don't even originate from the Orenian playerbase, this is one of the first. Challenging Oren doesn't mean favouring smaller, niche playerbases simply because they happen to be in opposition, but stopping unfair actions with no grounds in roleplay. Ideally, the staff team should be wholly neutral. To insinuate that the evidence which was never provided is worth more than another's words is stupid. Absolutely ******* retarded, in fact. This pent up anger we feel doesn't stem only from the players of Oren, but from numerous areas on the server as we have to deal with bullshit time and time again from a staff team that acts like an Orwellian example of an overreaching, oligarchic authoritarian government which actively stifles anything that they do not approve of. These things swing both ways. The coup of Petrus, the situation with courland, the cancellation of dreadlander war claim, the list goes on. The pendulum swings both ways and it hit hard for Oren this time around. It doesn't mean that the staff is bias, but simply that they made decisions that didn't favor one side. You want a team that is neutral and at the same time involved with the player base. Its hard to find. In Tahmas' case, he was involved in role-play with a side in a war and from then on out was labeled as bias. Confirmation Bias describes an idea taking hold in someone's mind where all actions are quickly labelled to that idea. It's textbook. I see you read 1984 freshman year too as everything is now Orwellian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I am a simple player. I have never held a staff position on this server. Throughout my time on this server it seems that the Admin team continuously works against the Empire. I usually avoid large topics like this but for once I cant. Mr @Tahmas I remember when you were first elevated to Admin. Like every other staff player I always try to go in with an open mind, giving everyone a fair chance. I did too! When all this **** started to be made clear, the extreme anti Orenian bias from the admins I would say in Teamspeak and skype "Guy we cant prove that, Admins aren't ******* us over, they are just doing their job" Among other words of defense to the admin team. I would usually get **** on by my fellow Orenians for defending the Admin team. But I continued. However in the recent actions I can see! THEY WERE RIGHT! As admin you have betrayed the trust of a significant portion of the server myself included. I will attest I have never seen Pyro show any bias judgments. Throughout the various screamfests of the Oren Teamspeak and despite our pleas through skype for him to handle a situation Pyro would always reply with "Sorry guys, its my duty as GM to stay out of this. It would be Biased and I cant have that" The man constantly worked hard to improve the lives of players. He would go to extreme lengths to help people having problems. But alas! He was struck down by the dishonest and corrupt staff of this server. Now onto the "evidence" presented against pyro we can clearly see here.... OH WAIT WE CANT! We cant see the evidence submitted against him but dont worry guys the HONEST Admins have looked through it and they have come to an unbias decision. How convenient! In the United States Of America there is the confrontation clause of the 6th amendment to the constitution. Ill quote it for you. The Confrontation evidence of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him." What does this mean? Well I will explain. This means that in the United States Of America along with almost every country in the world. It is a basic right to you as a citizen that you are able to confront your accuser. It helps form the foundation of just about every nations justice system. In fact it was first put in place as a basic right in England with the introduction of the Manga Carta. Since 1215 AD Accused in England and later the British Empire have had the right to confront their accuser. This "safe space" bullshit about protecting ones anonymity is the most BS thing I've seen. Why is someone who is accusing another of a crime protected? Pyro should have the chance to confront his accuser. OR AT LEAST BE SHOWN THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AGAINST HIM! As I said before, I am a simple player trying to get by. But when I see stuff like this, it just takes my breath away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreek 1633 Share Posted December 20, 2016 i think tahmas is a truly good guy who has good family values Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lechian Lord 1027 Share Posted December 20, 2016 We all can agree that some people want change and others are afraid of that change. People can't be in charge forever and new leaders get picked every month from the playerbase. I don't get why people can't understand that everything in life has its ups and downs and we can't just blame others for the bumps on the road that are clearly visible. OOC will always happen on a server that revolves around nations. You can't just wait around rply for the person to show up, wasting valuable time. No, you head to Skype or ts, hell even discord to tell the needed people. It's not like the guards that rply are around the palace can just wait there all day either. And the meta gaming. If you don't want it to happen why let people see the other persons name and age when crouching next to them. That results in a lot of the cases where people find out who a cloaked person or a noble is. If you can't even see that it's also the game mechanics along with the communications and the way the server is then why play? It makes me realize how childish a lot of the players are. I get it that some people use the server to get away from their lives, to release that built up stress and to have fun with others. But when the fact that the RP is discarded for PVP and OOC discussions then those people have no purpose even being on the server. Well enough for my rant before bed <3 Goodnight everyone :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avacyn 1712 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Your daily reminder the lot of you are throwing "ebig roasts :DDDDDDD" at one another over Minecraft Roleplay. Keep the feedback on-topic and discard the ad hominem remarks, you don't look any cooler for mocking the persona someone chooses to display in the world of minemen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfamousGerman 1553 Share Posted December 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Joe / joenaj / Yemekar said: The coup of Petrus, the situation with courland Could we stop this? While I agree the coup shouldn't of been ruled a raid there was 0 logistical way that the perpetrators could have ever held on to Felsen(I assume Petrus is a typo). The harbour was blockaded by the Imperial fleet, the city was in the center of the heartlands of the Empire and the War's battle line was no where close to being able to resupply the garrison if we are talking about roleplay here. I've already explained the courland debacle and if you need a refresher PM me on skype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naj 545 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Just now, InfamousGerman said: Could we stop this? While I agree the coup shouldn't of been ruled a raid there was 0 logistical way that the perpetrators could have ever held on to Felsen(I assume Petrus is a typo). The harbour was blockaded by the Imperial fleet, the city was in the center of the heartlands of the Empire and the War's battle line was no where close to being able to resupply the garrison if we are talking about roleplay here. I've already explained the courland debacle and if you need a refresher PM on skype. Nah my point is staff rules both ways equally as shitty sometimes. I mean if you insist ill always PM you on Skype ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuHanXianShi14 0 Share Posted December 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Aelthir said: Leo, you're the trashiest staff member I've ever seen. There's a reason you were removed from GM. You as an FM talking about toxicity and staff corruption is the most ironic thing I've ever seen, seeing as you hide rp posts about your removal from the Druids and call an rp post cancer, before turning it into a dog meme once an uproar was raised. Alright, I'll bite. I referred to you as 'fennic dogs' in that RP post after I edited it. Its a common insult. You dont have a patent on the word 'dog'. I know you arent going to believe me anyways but the fact that it would be construed as a dig at you didnt even occur to me until afterwards. I find it a bit hypocritical anyways seeing as you and your clique of players pathologically hound me on the forums and attempt to shut down anything I say with fae ring digs much in the manner people make dog memes about you. As for that RP post, I was unattuned via an illegitimate method (long range death ray) and I hid the unattunement post until the LT made an official verdict on whether or not it was valid, with the intent to unhide it if it was valid. Guess what, it wasnt valid. Don't take the high ground. You are perfectly willing and happy to openly talk down to and degrade people on the forums and through other mediums outside of LOTC too, myself especially. hell, you got a warning point today for a dig at nathan barnett. Dare I call it harrassment? This is literally just your forum history in the last 10 minutes. I could dig deeper and find more. Are you suprised people treat you the way you do, when you act the way you do to people? Probably shouldn't have replied, but, public accusation causes for public rebuttal. Otherwise misinformation spreads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451 Share Posted December 20, 2016 19 minutes ago, Taketheshot said: When all this **** started to be made clear, the extreme anti Orenian bias from the admins I would say in Teamspeak and skype "Guy we cant prove that, Admins aren't ******* us over, they are just doing their job" You don't seem grateful at all. Oren basically has control of the whole player base and you actually believe there would be such a thing as an Anti-Orenian Bias from Admins? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leric 1097 Share Posted December 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, Aelthir said: Leric, you stalked Nazdus in vanish for 30 minutes because he's a good snelf pvper, refused to respond when caught, tp to raids only to join in on Oren's side, and solicited a pugsy of Snow Elves while preventing them from leaving via fast travel. I haven't even added any input to this post so I'm unsure why you're attempting to call me out on some baseless accusation. But allow me to clarify some of these weakly based attempts at trying to make me look like a biased individual when I do my best to always ask for further gm input from other gms should the situation make me look as if bias comes into play. "Leric, you stalked Nazdus in vanish for 30 minutes because he's a good snelf pvper, refused to respond when caught"Firstly, I have genuinely no clue where this is even come from because I don't recall a situation where I've had to 'stalk' a player because they're a good pvper. I can say that there have been several times where I've gone into egm 3 to spectate players at the warzone when they're accused of hacking simply because that's my job to do. "tp to raids only to join in on Oren's side," I literally don't even raid. I've commented several times on how much I despise this new system of pvp with swing timers, and the only times I do pvp are to practice if I ever get gangbanged by a raiding party, and for warclaims. The only situation I can think of was far back in September when the Warhawkes raided the dark elves, and through legitimate rp (A guard at the gates) I was called in to lend aid and defend the raid. Now the argument for this was that because I was moderating this at first (handling door rolls), and then promptly left I was accused of metagame. The issue was brought to my gm lead who at the time was Dizzy, and cleared me saying I was perfectly in the okay, just recommended me not to moderate raids of such a degree in the future because claims of bias and etc will occur. So I genuinely have no clue what you're attempting to accuse me on. "and solicited a pugsy of snow elves while preventing them from leaving via fast travel."I saw a situation regarding two Orenians, to which my knowledge hadn't initiated the PvP illegally, fighting a large group of fleeing snelves. This very group was fleeing and attempted to take a fast travel, which, fast traveling during pvp is not allowed. I informed the snow elves they were not allowed to fast travel due to that being against server rules, and then somewhere around 5~ minutes later I learned that the PvP was unlawfully started. Afterwards I told the Snow Elves it was a mistake of mine and they are allowed to fast travel due to the unlawful nature of the attack. I do understand that my long history of being apart of Oren, and the NL for the Wood Elves makes me a very easy target to be accused of bias. But I in honest do my best to be fair and ask others when bias can be called into play so that I can be as fair as possible to both sides. If you do have any complaints, please bring them to me instead of making baseless accusations in order to try and put your point across. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy 2709 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Marijuanaology said: You don't seem grateful at all. Oren basically has control of the whole player base and you actually believe there would be such a thing as an Anti-Orenian Bias from Admins? Try getting a two week ban for an rp statue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnmowerman 3040 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Why is speaking the truth a bad thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornaedo 1249 Share Posted December 20, 2016 46 minutes ago, Marijuanaology said: Well I figure I can at least shed some light on this situation as difficult as it is to discuss things with a GM it seemed I received very little cooperation from Pyro when we spoke in an attempt to perhaps balance what has been unbalanced. This type of OOC behavior from a moderator of all staff members makes a negative impact on the staff as it is. For a GM to OOCly oust players from having any leadership type position simply because they dislike those players seems very malicious when it comes to a cooperative as much as competitive role play server. This has absolute no value to anything. It can clearly be seen that throughout RP that Malgonious an DPM have gone against Oren even when they tried to strike a deal. This is not OOC hate but common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuHanXianShi14 0 Share Posted December 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, Aelthir said: I dare you to look through my forum history and pull up an incident of me making fun of fae rings. Go ahead. K. While I'm here I'll also post some of the times your clique's attacked me on the forums (The ones I can dig up on short notice). Which I'm sure you had absolutely no part in encouraging and supporting https://gyazo.com/e961ee16144c8690e03c03bf3ac7556c https://gyazo.com/abb64b925f04c6d3df306cc27ecdd555 https://gyazo.com/d7d8eaf43419106bbb069b8b550d7780 https://gyazo.com/e614d45344d43962b492513bf9f7d1d6 https://gyazo.com/4426de3dcec017e349a053382b07816e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornaedo 1249 Share Posted December 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, DPM said: snake smh, next time u try to kiss my ass on ts just gonna ban u Here Pyro is being accussed of OOC hate against DPM and Malg and now here we have DPM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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