this server is in shambles

[L0rdLawyer 2272]

28 minutes ago, Hyena said:

 

Let's go over the facts.

 

Sakura took a screenshot of a single occurence and continued the discussion in OOC chat. Instead of stating, "hey wolf, you messed up, can you not say that" she decided to ignore it completely. Hours later she passed on two screenshots to Xalid, a member of her nation and a friend if so, who quickly banned me. Xalid, instead of talking to Corpean who is the GM director, he went to Fireheart.

 

After talking to Corpean who's initial reaction was, "this is pathetic, it's not logged", we went into a decent conversation about random things and went our ways. I got ahold of Telanir and had a fun chat with him as well as Xalid.

 

In response to my ban appeal, Jandy realized that Xalid, the same man who said a mistake is still worth a ban, didnt take the time to black out sakuras name in his own response. With my appeal, I made sure not to make the same mistake and black out her name. Xalid didnt think blacking out her name was even worth it. 

 

Jandys report was quickly shut down by punisher who acted on her own accord, not even asking the GM Lead for permission. She acted on her own, which in itself is full on abuse of her power.

 

Not everyone is perfect, but if you're going to judge one person based on their mistakes, you have to be fair and judge everyone the same. 

[rukio 8924]

4 minutes ago, Boomze said:

Because players get riled up and start harassing the person in question? Because players’ opinions might affect the result of the ban?
That’s all well and good in a perfect world with non-corrupt governors, but just as players are salty, toxic, and to some extent ruthless in their actions against someone they dislike, staff is not infallible. They have their biases, dislikes, and downfalls.

The idea isn’t to make all staff reports public, nor to abolish the anonymous report system. But have you noticed that while an anonymous report will take upwards of a month to be fully carried through, and this one BR on a GM was addressed nearly instantly?
Tell me, how long do normal BRs against ordinary people last? Certainly not upwards of a month. Now, I don’t know about you, but as much as I might be biased, and as much as I like to give people I like the benefit of the doubt as often as possible, that doesn’t mean I will take nearly ten times as long to look over their case as I would looking over another person’s.

And, as a final note, might I add that the BR made on Xarkly, which I will fully admit is the reasoning behind this post, was not on abuse of PEX, nor anything to do with actually being a GM – it was a BR on the player themselves, over something completely detached from their volunteering. It was something that a normal player also got banned for – what is the difference between the cases, when they both did what they did accidentally? Why does one require an anonymous, detached ban report, and the other needs only the use of a /ban command?

1. Players 100% do in fact harass staff and act like they aren’t human just because they’re staff. It’s genuinely disgusting.
2. That’s because the BR on the GM was replied to to say “Hey, go make an anonymous staff report.” Anonymous reports take so long because you have to provide all of the evidence, the team lead has to go and verify it, you have to respond back and forth on the anon report. It’s a long process for a good reason.
3. I think you mean Xalid, not Xarkly. It’s a BR about their actions on an appeal they were handling. Therefore a report on their actions as a staff member.

@L0rdLawyer Pun doesn’t need the permission of the GM lead. It is the forums, she is a forum moderator.

[Boomzerang 515]

7 minutes ago, Hyena said:

I think you mean Xalid, not Xarkly. It’s a BR about their actions on an appeal they were handling. Therefore a report on their actions as a staff member.

Apologies, I did mean Xalid. The point was the same one as wolfkite was attempting to push – that he himself doxxed someone, while attempting to ban someone for doxxing that same person. My final question still stands – why is he being held to a different degree to wolfkite, and more importantly, why can’t a normal BR act against a human error that any other player could make?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but under the Staff Report FAQ, it is stated that the reports are, ‘for unprofessional behaviour, violating conduct, or other infractions.’ To me, that very much pertains to their behaviour as a staff member, rather than as a player – i.e infractions they may make through the use of their PEX, such as Shalashask when killing everyone online on the server.

EDIT: Might I add that I have nothing personally against Xalid. From what I’ve witnessed of him, he’s a dead on guy, and in no way am I targeting him with this thread. I am instead targeting the abysmal reaction of the other staff members both in this situations and others like it.

[L0rdLawyer 2272]

3 minutes ago, Hyena said:

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@L0rdLawyer Pun doesn’t need the permission of the GM lead. It is the forums, she is a forum moderator.

 

1. Firstly, it's a player report. A player report that used the proper format, didnt do anything rule breaking, and was allowed to be posted. Punisher went beyond her powers and closed the report even though jandy was within every bit of his rights to do what he did. 

 

2. You do realize what you described is how regular player reports are handled as well, yes? The only difference between a player report and ANON staff report is your identity is kept a secret so you wont feel like this staff member is targeting you.

 

3. Jandy knew about point 2. Jandy posted the player report waiving his anonymity. 

[_Jandy_ 3519]

19 minutes ago, Hyena said:

That’s because the BR on the GM was replied to to say “Hey, go make an anonymous staff report.” Anonymous reports take so long because you have to provide all of the evidence, the team lead has to go and verify it, you have to respond back and forth on the anon report. It’s a long process for a good reason.

From having experience with past staff reports I can simply say that this isn’t the case. Admins simply do not prioritize handling them which ends up with them taking months to get to, which in my experience takes so damn long that the reported person has already just left teams on their own accord. The urgency that was provoked with my report on Xalid is exactly the urgency all staff reports should incur but they do not. I do not care about anonymity here, I don’t know Xalid so I don’t have any bridges to burn by reporting an indisputable breach of conduct. Xalid fucked up and now that I have been told I need to make a staff report I expect that it will take at least a month to be handled unless the GM Lead or Admins recognize that waiting that long will throw gas onto a fire. Regardless of how they proceed from here on out they will be in a Catch 22 unless they revert Pun’s rash decision to lock up a post that they disliked.

[Chimp 528]

just get tythus to sell lotc to mog and all will be well i promise ? ?

[monkeypoacher 8055]

my life is in shambles

[Panashea 3323]

Why do u think I left months ago? It takes more effort to try and clean up a community of minecraft kids than just writing and playing your own campaign with a group of friends.  Lotc has had the same exact problems over and over again for almost a decade now. Making a page long forum post wont change the nature of the server, nor will just playing and being a part of the problem.  If lotc is bad(it is) campaign an alternative,  or just boycott. 

[Hiebe 2493]

Players should also realize playing here is a privliage not a right.

 

Think anyone cam do a better rp server? Go make one like the others have tried. Not even mogs oil money could make a server successful.

17 hours ago, Chimp said:

just get tythus to sell lotc to mog and all will be well i promise ? ?

Just tell mog to make another server we can all bounce to and be human medieval rp again... I'm sure itll work

[Boomzerang 515]

2 hours ago, Hiebe said:

Players should also realize playing here is a privliage not a right.

 

Think anyone cam do a better rp server? Go make one like the others have tried. Not even mogs oil money could make a server successful.

Just tell mog to make another server we can all bounce to and be human medieval rp again... I'm sure itll work

And because it’s a privilege, that means that volunteering folks can remove posts outing others on a whim, despite the fact that these break no rules?
Staff members should realise being staff is a managing position aided by the PEX they get, which should not be used to police what they do and don’t want on the forums depending on who it talks about.

[dogbew 267]

On 11/21/2018 at 4:11 PM, Hyena said:

please please please make me staff

 

[Zacho 2177]

Moved to The Great Library. It shall be sorted into the appropriate category shortly.

 

If you feel this is a mistake, please contact myself or any FM and we'll restore it.