Metaplay

[Cheese 8882]

2 minutes ago, Svyatgoroye said:

this all started because of a seer plot ritual btw

 

vaseek's greatest little pranksters

He sheds a tear of pride at the chaos successfully sown in the mortal realm

[DahStalker 3692]

lol should I post the original forum comment I replied to? where it was a general statement of feeling uncomfortable as a minor within Norland? Who wouldn’t be disgusted with such a horrible vague post. 

1 minute ago, DahStalker said:

lol should I post the original forum comment I replied to? where it was a general statement of feeling uncomfortable as a minor within Norland? Who wouldn’t be disgusted with such a horrible vague post. 

Didn’t even act foul toward the person as you saw in my reply either btw. I asked for a reword because it was an absurd vague post directed toward a whole community rather than specific individuals. lol 

[Calise11 841]

To exploit someone's learning disabilities. Is a Low  Blow . I am not quite sure we are the toxic ones here. 

I like to call these  kind of forums. Things people read while on their porcelain thrones (IE a good toilet read) 

I would LOVE to put the whole group chat I was once in on blast. And expose your personal affairs as you have mine.(Enjoy my terrible spelling snce these people are butthurt I use reading and writing aids) 

I have Tourette's syndrome. I have dyslexia, I have chronic ills. I have never denied iv not used CHAT GPT to help me spell and grammar check and act like Grammarly (But for freeee). It is quite literally called a 'calise11' when I **** up ... I am not blessed with the ability others have of being able to write coherently and quickly. I do it for flow to keep up with rp and make sure my emotes are the best and top-tier quality they can be. I have suffered from this learning disability, quite literally, my whole life. . . My writing. is my own. I am happy to post over 1000 different shots of evidence over the years of me screaming at chat gpt going "Spell and grammar check this..." - "wait no DONT CHANGE MY WRITING" - "NO NOT LIKE THAT."  Until its perfectly set up to what I want. Spelling, grammar, and English language things. 

The very fact that you have PUSHED me to speak about personal issues, because who likes people believing lies about themselves? CRAZY toxic. Like. And what's wild. Is you know all this? You knew I used aids for my writing. This is quite literally like throwing spahgettie on a wall and hoping it sticks when its not cooked. 

Also. I care about my friends' sleeping schedule. . . Shoot me? These people are not just pixels. They have lives outside of rp. They do not hydrate enough, they do not sleep enough. And I care about this. 

Also... Yeah, I use chat GPT to tell me the tone of voice. Because, quite frankly. I do not function in conflict situations. Which evidently. You are very aware of this since... You know... Your partner used to sit with me and tell me when someone was being an A-hole or not because I have a tendency to be walked all over. . . Crazy clutch at straws. CRAZY... 

BUT THANK YOU. FOR GIVING ME THE CONFIDENCE FOR own my LEARNING disability. Since. You gave me uh kinda no choice? I think, thank you? Who knows? Lmao

Edit: I have read the entire document now over a cup of coffee. Putting on my serious hat now. 
Lasting personal sentence, I have had people come to me. Leave LOTC due to the group of VANSK before they were VANSK. My total now is four, I almost made it five. I wholeheartedly pray and wish that you get the help you need. You are not mentally coherent in the head. And for your benefit, I would ask you to take this document down, you guys really thought you did something. But instead, you made everyone who might have had a sensible complaint look like idiots for your own personal vendetta and you and only you (Shinybluepikachu) need to think about your actions. You are not a Victim. You are a Gaslighter. You are Manipultaive. You are toxic. I say this with my chest.   As someone who has been your friend for literal years.  And I pray for those who continue to be around in your presence because they need it. And hope in whatever endeavours you take in life. I wish you in truth. All of you. The best. I have made some wonderful memories with you all. But this is the end of the chapter. 

For future reference.
Never say someone is an Abuser when they are not...  Pot calling the kettle black. 

Edited May 19, 2025 by Calise11

[Cepheid 4304]

15 minutes ago, Kaiser said:

I cannot speak on any alleged harassment that the Vansk community has faced, either as an independent nation or to when they were subset of Norland, however, I do run the realms system and I just want to put in my 2 cents around Vansk. This is neither in support of nor against any side, just my own context.

 

1) I accepted Vansk as a nation. At no point did anyone pressure me to not accept Vansk from inside the Norland community. In fact many even said to me during the voting period that he would prefer Vansk get a fair deal, same as any other nation. The only dissenting voices I got were from people outside Norland who felt the Vansk community was not unique or would just fail outright.

2) I did tell the Vansk NL that they should prepare for or even expect a war. This was just a bit of advice, and wasn't reflective of OOC info, I just think all independent nations should have an army.  This was also because of the blatantly obvious RP implications of their history with Norland.

 

3) Nobody on the Imp team really expected Vansk to survive due to the roleplay climate of wars + their history with Norland + being a relatively nonmartial playerbase. Those of us who supported and pushed through Vansk's app mostly were just hoping to be wrong. I bring this up because I want to say, even if Vansk was not OOCly targeted (Not saying it was or was not!), it most likely would have had the same fate via RP. Therefor the war/death of Vansk itself isn't a sign of some scheme against them, and it's wrong to claim the war is unjustified

The following is a personal opinion now, rather than anything:

The Norland/Solgaard/Etc community can at times be extremely rude, crude, and lewd (it rhymes). It really is not uncommon for some pretty NSFW jokes or words to be flung in that community, and it is really not uncommon that that is seen in other communities. I am not saying this is good or bad, or should be regulated or not. But that community is pretty, uh, aggressive? Meanwhile the Vansk-esque community is extremely prudish and delicate from my experience. That also is not a judgement or insult.

My point is that I think a decent chunk of this is people with a more fragile sensibilities coming into contact with people who are more thick skinned and brutish.

For example... who cares if Elrith was drunk? What an extremely soft thing to become overly upset about. Or half of these pics are pretty clearly jokes, or so overtly banter. I haven't looked over every screenshot or post, but, c'mon... Orlanth saying they're goons? Shadowz dogging on a build? These are very petty.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

Going to be honest, this report could’ve easily been condensed into like 20 pages, if that. Putting disputes over Discord roles, arguments about builds, complaints about Elrith being drunk in VC, complaints about Elrith not pming people back quickly, at an equal level of accusations of Hugh being a “domestic abuser” or extensive metaplay with the whole Norland-Vansk conflict, just makes the report feel very watered down.

 

This just reads like an extensive list of grievances that y’all have with Norland and Solgaard, which is fine, whatever, but pairing that with accusations of serious rule-breaking comes across as y’all trying to pad out this document to make it feel like there is just this overwhelming mountain of evidence against Norland/Elrith/Solgaard. In reality, the actual meat and potatoes of what y’all have provided as evidence of rule-breaking is legitimate but also pretty scant.

 

This. On top of all this, Elrith is an adult; he is allowed to drink in VC with friends, and drinking rp occurs on the server as Lord of the Craft is a PG-13 medium. As someone who has been a victim of domestic abuse and violence, it is sickening that M1919 is being compared to an abuser and that he is using tactics of abuse just because you cannot handle someone being mean to you over pixels. Grow up and realize that there are actual problems in this world, rather than a video game and players on said game making you sad because you did not get what you wanted and decided to post a hit-piece for your temper tantrum.  Also, the Ivarielle situation from over three years ago? Really? 

 

I am sorry you are upset about how the Vansk situation unfolded and you do not like how things turned out for your rp or your group, but this amounts little in terms of ooc and is mostly just RP issues.

[CHARLES THE BALD 2615]

7 minutes ago, DahStalker said:

lol should I post the original forum comment I replied to? where it was a general statement of feeling uncomfortable as a minor within Norland? Who wouldn’t be disgusted with such a horrible vague post. 

Didn’t even act foul toward the person as you saw in my reply either btw. I asked for a reword because it was an absurd vague post directed toward a whole community rather than specific individuals. lol 

My opinion of you changed after seeing the google document...

[Travisty 1020]

type shit 

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this is giving 2017 discord callout bruh, the screenshots are nitpicky at best and you fr included one that prefaces with "I have no evidence but"

 

[Clone_Fives 75]

I will put my two cents because I want to and need upvotes (the upvotes part is a joke to be clear). I will quickly point out that in the doc it implies that only truvolcanicgoat and M1919 were raiding Vansk. There were a lot more people on the Norn side all in armor. I remember being in the gate house going through the epic gate rp then looking to my right and seeing like 20 Norns all on horses  and in armor just outside and thinking "Oh, there is going to be a raid" it was very clear, at least to me and by most standards, that it was a raid so they were allowed to use raid ladders. I think the part they messed up when it comes to the ladders was not doing 3 emotes in shout for the ladders. It is also important to note for anyone whose eyes did not read the full rule for whatever reason. It says you can use them leading up to the raid. I can't say too much for the whole crp I do think there were a good number of mess ups on both sides during that though.

"Raid equipment like Ladder Crates and TNT Crates may only be used leading up to or during a raid."

On a different note, have fun ShinyB and farewell

[Cheese 8882]

I think it's really funny how this isn't even a report since it was posted under miscellany in the off topic subforum

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

I think it's fair to say the report mixes way too much he-said she-said and emotional reactions within actual rule violations. Why a actual slur being on a sign ingame is at the very bottom of a document detailing a LOT of other things, both hearsay and not, objective and not, is a bit surprising. Some this is just frankly opinionated; calling someone a abuser whom is very much not doing anything close to abuse is absurd, and it reflects that this feels compiled by people in emotional distress; nothing should be done on LoTC if emotions run that high ever.

 

Equally, I think it's a bold lie for anyone to say they trust staff to handle these things. A community of people, regardless of wherever they belong to on the server, should never feel so boxed in that they feel quitting and dropping a callout post is the only recourse they have. I think many things fundamentally failed here that we will eventually see repeated enough until it happens in a admin's community and gets promptly addressed.

[xo31 3979]

Tw I'm drunk typing this

 

I gotta say Lotc is the first medium where i consistently cannot take a single side in any argument because both sides are just insane Science bless though I wasnt mentioned in this

 

edit: Okay I reread a little more and even though these people were terribly unkind to me 🙁 I think that generally the harassment claims are a little insane and reaching. I don't think that the Norland/Solgaard people are bad people I just think they are jokesters who don't really understand their jokes can go too far.

 

Sincerely, xo31.

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I know you all wanted to hear my opinion. I know you clicked on this forum thinking: 'I wonder what xo31 was to say about this.' And here you are. You're welcome.

 

[Rig 17580]

(A common abuser tactic to gaslight their victim into believing that the victim is actually the problem)

(They continue to downplay and write off the IRP and OOC issues that led to this encounter as nonsense and grand-standing.)

(This is common in abusive relationships, the abuser promising that things will be better if the victim just gives them one more chance.)

 

[Cobbler 809]

Can't imagine why mods/admins didn't act on this information!

 

Won't begin to take it seriously due to the insane public leaps you make to insinuate that the people listed in this report "abuse minors" and/or "mishandle their communication with minors" without any proof, I believe the community at large thinks the same. Beyond that, the only thing I can see is that your group made some terrible decisions that led to obvious outcomes and you responded very poorly.

 

[Twodiks 597]

I think this whole doc would've looked better if it didn't look like you were grasping at straws in several parts. Like really? Comparing m1 to a domestic abuser. Complaining about some chatgpt, plus that whole paragraph beforehand trying to explain how bad the person was. Complaining someone was drunk in vc. If you wanna say metaplay, that's fine. But I feel like you should've just stuck to how the war felt retaliatory OOC. Plus a lot of it is just a bunch of statements without real proof. And my big problem with that is that I feel like you went public with this stuff is to try to drive the community against them. It could be true but that would've been better for a staff report so they can investigate.

[Laeonathan 5889]

I read the document and it looks really off zto me. Nitpicky, petty - half of that report were normal conversations?

 

Being upset someone drunk alcohol is insane, sorry.

[____Spectral____ 168]

7 hours ago, ShinyB said:

 

Metaplay.

(The working title that became the title.)

 

I hate this word, but I am in staunch support of its sentiment. Conflict should not be determined by who you are friends with out-of-character. More importantly, war should not be lodged at people you vehemently hate out-of-character for no other reason than your personal desire to destroy them. Unfortunately, the admins of this server may tout their condemnation of these actions, but their words are nothing but performative.

 

A report detailing willful, continual and targeted harassment, deceit, abuse of staff powers, harmful and inappropriate conduct towards minors, metagaming and metaplaying, as well as a slew of other general misconduct was submitted to admins April 11th, 2025. These actions were directed towards a former subsection of the Norland community (now known as Vansk), as well as associated individuals, over the course of a year, before and after the community split.

 

Admins have decided to do nothing.

 

We were explicitly told such. 

If anything in specific happened, we were never told.

 

They refused to punish those that have blatantly broken server rules. They refused to address the corruption and abuse of power within their own ranks. They refused to stop a war so obviously steeped in out-of-character hatred and retaliation.

 

I will let the evidence speak for itself and have you decide, is this really a server worth playing on? Is this somewhere you can feel safe when admins refuse to prosecute their friends? To what degree will roleplay be compromised by this conduct?

 

A History of Harassment

 

Will your community be next?

 

For me, all of these questions and more have already been answered. To have aggressors and instigators go unpunished and unchecked sacrifices the delicate safety a roleplay space should be providing. To have staff abuse their powers in favor of certain communities, and to the detriment of others, compromises the competency and integrity of staff as a whole. And to have admins so blatantly excuse the out-of-character manipulation of roleplay in pursuit of retaliatory ends, shatters any illusion that this server strives for good faith and collaborative roleplay.

 

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This is the last I’ll be speaking on the matter, and the last I’ll waste another minute on this server.

 

Dang, it's another one of these posts that are talking about metaplay, and staff misconduct, I can't say I'm very surprised. Remember not to soley rely on the moderation, and to always reach out to other groups first. I'm also not very surprised that it's Vansk being targeted here, the church always needs to expand in some way after all ;D