Nation Management, Open Land And Dynamic Borders

[Lym 849]

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Heh, finally someone said it. It's all about the leaders. Do you know want to know why even I, an Undead, was scared of going into Krugmar alone when I knew players were there? Because Mog managed to create IC fear back then, just like he does with Horen V today. You don't need to be an Admin or GM to cause effects like fear and loyalty or to make people put effort into something, no.

[-The Doctor- 65]

Heh, finally someone said it. It's all about the leaders. Do you know want to know why even I, an Undead, was scared of going into Krugmar alone when I knew players were there? Because Mog managed to create IC fear back then, just like he does with Horen V today. You don't need to be an Admin or GM to cause effects like fear and loyalty or to make people put effort into something, no.

Actually, from  how I see it, being an Admin or anyone who holds ooc power over a player has a lot to do with IC fear. Ooc intimidation almost always translate to IC fear.

[Merkaken 516]

This is awsome. So many things have been going right ever since Anthos. Thanks, Danny~

[Jistuma 1996]

Guys, Mog is right, it's not the GM/Admin tag (thought it helps a bit), it's the leader.

The leader needs to play a lot and be there to manage the place, have you guys forgotten what happened in Asulon when Mog had to leave the server for one or two months? It was complete chaos.

Leadership is being there, talking to the people, seeing the problems arise and fixing them, and so forth. Being an admin, mog could do that a lot better, but have you even ever read his forum posts? Appart from being an admin and GM, he's also a great roleplayer and great writter.

Mog took Oren to greatness, but it was Mog, not his GM/Admin tag.

[Song Druid 1486]

Leadership is fine and dandy, and I hope you really mean that.  But then you turn around and decree Malinor is no longer a nation and is a city-state under Oren.  Getting mixed signals here.

[Merkaken 516]

Leadership is fine and dandy, and I hope you really mean that.  But then you turn around and decree Malinor is no longer a nation and is a city-state under Oren.  Getting mixed signals here.

So, I want to start off, Arik, by saying I understand you must be pretty frustrated at the moment. I would be too. But i'm going to drop my two cents down here.

 

While it can definitly be aggrivating to have an entire nation reduced to a city-state, it has LOTS of roleplay possibilities. I hate to be that guy and say "Deal with it in RP" so i'll say it in a different manner.

 

Just sit back and try to think of the massive ammounts of roleplay possibilities! There could be a war between the Elves and Oren, Malinor trying to become a nation once more. Perhaps the Elves are being opressed by the expanse of Oren and its emporer and fight back? There's plenty more someone can think of.

 

and as Mog said, it isn't the title that helps a nation. It might be a factor in it, definitly, but the main factor in a leader is their willingness, patiance, and dedication to a nation/race. It just so happens majority of the time staff members have that dedication that most players don't have. So I wouldn't say it's so much a staff involvement issue as it is a dedication and initiative problem.

 

Again, not trying to insult you, belittle you, be rude, etc. Just dropping my two cents.

[3andD 1722]

Wouldn't your arguement fall flat? Mog was a grand enough leader even before he attained adminification. Shouldn't this be enough to virtually stop the meaningless arguement?

[Merkaken 516]

Lol the fact that you guys (elves) allowed horen to absorb malinor without a fight shows just how well mog knows what he's actually doing and just how poorly the elven leadership(whoever they are) is operating. The elves are in their current predicament because 1) the leaders brought them there through incompetence / lack of knowing politics and 2) 95% of your playerbase tried dealing with it OOCly. The elves need a good leader, not staff intervention(can't even imagine what that entails). Yea, you might need some OOC help to keep malinor alive but nothing will help them come back more than a good, committed leader rather than the 'popular' leaders they seem to choose. Hell I'm not even sure mog could save the elves given what a shitshow they currently are.

Also oren is powerful because mog knows exactly how to keep all his people happy(look at lowering of crown authority, kingdom of kaedrin), not because he's an admin lol.

And thanks for the update Danny, I think this'll bring some more life back to LotC and be overall a good thing, once people get used to the change :p

There's really no need to be swear or be rude towards an entire group of people.

[Merkaken 516]

Ill b*tch all I want yo, ain't my problem

It kinda is when you're being rude to other people. But whatever, it's not worth getting into.

[Sultan 3953]

Actually, from  how I see it, being an Admin or anyone who holds ooc power over a player has a lot to do with IC fear. Ooc intimidation almost always translate to IC fear.

 

Maybe your point could stand if I was staff back then but Lym is talking about Aegies when I was Rex of the Orcs and I was not a Gm even back then I was a normal player.

[Salamandra 1136]

Ill b*tch all I want yo, ain't my problem

 

Where have I heard that before...

 

This entire thing just sounds like a way to give more land to Oren, honestly. 

[Leafwind 38]

One of the contributing factors to Malinor being empty is because there is nothing to do there. When the Wardens were still around in Aegis, Malinor was expanding into the Sister City and Serpent's RIdge. Having a strong common community generates expansion. When we of the Wardens disbanded, everything lost its appeal and went downhill. Also, let me point out that Shiftnative, "the best leader of Malinor" was an admin. Mog, you have no point.

[Sultan 3953]

One of the contributing factors to Malinor being empty is because there is nothing to do there. When the Wardens were still around in Aegis, Malinor was expanding into the Sister City and Serpent's RIdge. Having a strong common community generates expansion. When we of the Wardens disbanded, everything lost its appeal and went downhill. Also, let me point out that Shiftnative, "the best leader of Malinor" was an admin. Mog, you have no point.

 

He was Head Admin of the server, that means he was a strong leader, Native was a strong leader not his Admin tag his Admin tag didnt make him a strong leader he made himself that, you fail to realize that a person is a strong leader not a tag, one of the strong leaders on this server is Luchin and he was never a staff member, but he was one of the best Nation Leaders, an other one was Syrio also none staff. So no I have a point its the person in real life that makes a strong leader as he has the characteristics and skills to be one wither some people are to proud to admit to themselves that they make weak leaders or not that does not matter. Some people are good at running guilds that are smaller than nations are they strong leaders yes for small group but they can be weak leaders while leading a nation. 

 

Pay attention to what I am saying Strong-Weak I do not use the word good or bad, as being good or bad does not matter, a Strong Leader can also be in some peoples mind good or bad.such in real life some we see some dictators as strong leaders but they are considered bad and some democratic elected leaders in real life are weak leaders but they are considered good.

[Austin 697]

Being staff has nothing to do with being a strong leader in game. Mogroka was a great leader before he even got GM, he was recruited to GM probably because he showed the characteristics of a strong leader.

[Song Druid 1486]

I just find it incredibly hypocritical to step up and pull a nation out of a similar situation, and then punish Malinor for being in the same predicament.