Nation Management, Open Land And Dynamic Borders

[PtahWithin 1320]

Hmmm... hear that elves and orcs?  Time to institutionalize a breeding program.

If only it were that easy.

[LaCabra (Soda) 1519]

I personally think that this whole thing is just adding unnecessary competitiveness between nations really in a world already beset by people who treat nations as their own personal stomping grounds and want to see every other place gone to improve it.

To be honest I would personally like the administration to start trying to help communities like malinor and the likes to get back on their feet like how oren has had before. I mean if it was done then why not now... because simply the Elves are literally being pummelled into the floor within and without from lots of different reasons such as the constant insistence of having the elves split into three separate subraces that then act independently from one another in a population that simply handle this fact. Or the issue that players don't really want to go join Malinor due to the fact it is trying so hard to do things and simply can't.

Don't get me wrong. The people in malinor are trying everything possible to get things working again properly but each time they gain so much as a tiny bit of ground back they seemingly fall further down the hole and it seems as though the admin doesn't want to help them to get out of it anymore even though it has done so in the past to the now mighty oren who was once in a very similar situation to what malinor is in. With three separate kingdoms and three separate playerbases.

We're trying to make events and all for malinor but as justima has said events don't make lasting players within a place. They simply attract the crowds who disperse soon afterwards. Heck even I'm breaking my rp somewhat in a desperate attempt to try and help malinor out because of the fact it is one of the original four nations on our server.

There's just not much malinor can really do in rp. Sure writing new lore and changing political systems may or may not spark some interests but that alone doesn't solve the problems really.

Isn't there something the admin can do to help out this playerbase or are you just gonna give them the cold shoulder again... even though the admin has done the same in the past with the near same situation prior?

"Dealing with it in rp" is not a viable solution anymore. The playerbase is slowly declining and there simply isn't much in rp that can be done about it because of the fact malinor doesn't get new people in really from new applicants.

What is going to be done to help out?

Edit:

And before you say no towards this notion administration may I ask this if you are going to say no. What makes Oren more important and more deserving of support from the staff than malinor? You gave this support to oren and look where it is now. Why is it malinor can't have the same support? Why is it that it is allowed to continue to flounder on it's own dried up lake whilst you continue to top up water in the now carp like oren in its lake? Why can't the administration help out in this situation as it has done so to oren. You can't say because it can't be flaming done. We know it can be done and has done so in the past. So why not?

"Because it wouldn't be fair for the other playerbases" no, you lost your right to even mention that argument when the admin stepped in to save crippled and dying oren from literally going the way of the orcs. It is right now an unfair advantage to not be giving the same support to other groups like malinor at the moment.

So I ask again. Administration. What, is to be done?

[JtPv 140]

I personally think that this whole thing is just adding unnecessary competitiveness between nations really in a world already beset by people who treat nations as their own personal stomping grounds and want to see every other place gone to improve it.

To be honest I would personally like the administration to start trying to help communities like malinor and the likes to get back on their feet like how oren has had before. I mean if it was done then why not now... because simply the Elves are literally being pummelled into the floor within and without from lots of different reasons such as the constant insistence of having the elves split into three separate subraces that then act independently from one another in a population that simply handle this fact. Or the issue that players don't really want to go join Malinor due to the fact it is trying so hard to do things and simply can't.

Don't get me wrong. The people in malinor are trying everything possible to get things working again properly but each time they gain so much as a tiny bit of ground back they seemingly fall further down the hole and it seems as though the admin doesn't want to help them to get out of it anymore even though it has done so in the past to the now mighty oren who was once in a very similar situation to what malinor is in. With three separate kingdoms and three separate playerbases.

We're trying to make events and all for malinor but as justima has said events don't make lasting players within a place. They simply attract the crowds who disperse soon afterwards. Heck even I'm breaking my rp somewhat in a desperate attempt to try and help malinor out because of the fact it is one of the original four nations on our server.

There's just not much malinor can really do in rp. Sure writing new lore and changing political systems may or may not spark some interests but that alone doesn't solve the problems really.

Isn't there something the admin can do to help out this playerbase or are you just gonna give them the cold shoulder again... even though the admin has done the same in the past with the near same situation prior?

"Dealing with it in rp" is not a viable solution anymore. The playerbase is slowly declining and there simply isn't much in rp that can be done about it because of the fact malinor doesn't get new people in really from new applicants.

What is going to be done to help out?

Edit:

And before you say no towards this notion administration may I ask this if you are going to say no. What makes Oren more important and more deserving of support from the staff than malinor? You gave this support to oren and look where it is now. Why is it malinor can't have the same support? Why is it that it is allowed to continue to flounder on it's own dried up lake whilst you continue to top up water in the now carp like oren in its lake? Why can't the administration help out in this situation as it has done so to oren. You can't say because it can't be flaming done. We know it can be done and has done so in the past. So why not?

"Because it wouldn't be fair for the other playerbases" no, you lost your right to even mention that argument when the admin stepped in to save crippled and dying oren from literally going the way of the orcs. It is right now an unfair advantage to not be giving the same support to other groups like malinor at the moment.

So I ask again. Administration. What, is to be done?

[Sultan 3953]

I personally think that this whole thing is just adding unnecessary competitiveness between nations really in a world already beset by people who treat nations as their own personal stomping grounds and want to see every other place gone to improve it.

To be honest I would personally like the administration to start trying to help communities like malinor and the likes to get back on their feet like how oren has had before. I mean if it was done then why not now... because simply the Elves are literally being pummelled into the floor within and without from lots of different reasons such as the constant insistence of having the elves split into three separate subraces that then act independently from one another in a population that simply handle this fact. Or the issue that players don't really want to go join Malinor due to the fact it is trying so hard to do things and simply can't.

Don't get me wrong. The people in malinor are trying everything possible to get things working again properly but each time they gain so much as a tiny bit of ground back they seemingly fall further down the hole and it seems as though the admin doesn't want to help them to get out of it anymore even though it has done so in the past to the now mighty oren who was once in a very similar situation to what malinor is in. With three separate kingdoms and three separate playerbases.

We're trying to make events and all for malinor but as justima has said events don't make lasting players within a place. They simply attract the crowds who disperse soon afterwards. Heck even I'm breaking my rp somewhat in a desperate attempt to try and help malinor out because of the fact it is one of the original four nations on our server.

There's just not much malinor can really do in rp. Sure writing new lore and changing political systems may or may not spark some interests but that alone doesn't solve the problems really.

Isn't there something the admin can do to help out this playerbase or are you just gonna give them the cold shoulder again... even though the admin has done the same in the past with the near same situation prior?

"Dealing with it in rp" is not a viable solution anymore. The playerbase is slowly declining and there simply isn't much in rp that can be done about it because of the fact malinor doesn't get new people in really from new applicants.

What is going to be done to help out?

Edit:

And before you say no towards this notion administration may I ask this if you are going to say no. What makes Oren more important and more deserving of support from the staff than malinor? You gave this support to oren and look where it is now. Why is it malinor can't have the same support? Why is it that it is allowed to continue to flounder on it's own dried up lake whilst you continue to top up water in the now carp like oren in its lake? Why can't the administration help out in this situation as it has done so to oren. You can't say because it can't be flaming done. We know it can be done and has done so in the past. So why not?

"Because it wouldn't be fair for the other playerbases" no, you lost your right to even mention that argument when the admin stepped in to save crippled and dying oren from literally going the way of the orcs. It is right now an unfair advantage to not be giving the same support to other groups like malinor at the moment.

So I ask again. Administration. What, is to be done?

 

I like how you coined it as if staff stepped in its more like me stepping in. 

 

Why well im not interested in making an elf and I believe I wont enjoy it and I don't do things I would not enjoy :)

 

And we already have two staff that are in the council Uraspet and Oceas how that help the Elfs?

I do not think it really did as there like everyone else.

 

Staff does not make nations die or live or revive it. Its a person that has passion that can work with others and can lead.

 

That leads a nation to its height, and a bad leader plummets it to the bottom of the ocean. 

 

The only successful Elf leader was Shiftnative. And in my eyes a new leader in Wardog the elfs can find.

[Blundermore 2741]

I like how you coined it as if staff stepped in its more like me stepping in.

Why well im not interested in making an elf and I believe I wont enjoy it and I don't do things I would not enjoy :)

And we already have two staff that are in the council Uraspet and Oceas how that help the Elfs?

I do not think it really did as there like everyone else.

Staff does not make nations die or live or revive it. Its a person that has passion that can work with others and can lead.

That leads a nation to its height, and a bad leader plummets it to the bottom of the ocean.

The only successful Elf leader was Shiftnative. And in my eyes a new leader in Wardog the elfs can find.

Leadership isn't an issue mog its the sheer fact that a corner has been hit that it can't get out of no matter what it does icly. The playerbase isn't attracting the players to keep the nation going and the events are sure as hell not keeping people there. It isn't a matter of leadership. It's matters that are simply out of the hands of malinor ic now. Something must be done.

Edit: going to sleep now so consider this my last edit for a while...

[Supremacy 3361]

I would disagree. The high elves have experienced horrendous activity dips over their activity and have been able to recover.

 

There was a period of time that the Flays came and raided the high elves relentlessly until very few people logged in anymore. They recovered from that (mostly) by the time I had joined them. 2 months ago we had a horrendous activity drop where our skype chat got around 27 messages a day. So we changed Haelun'or.

 

Haelun'or became a nation once more. Haelun'or gained its own government. Players came back and now the high elves are arguably more active than Malinor right now(particularly AUS and EU timezones).

 

Nations can recover, they just need a good and active leader thrown in to fix things.

[Song Druid 1486]

I like how you coined it as if staff stepped in its more like me stepping in. 

 

Why well im not interested in making an elf and I believe I wont enjoy it and I don't do things I would not enjoy :)

 

And we already have two staff that are in the council Uraspet and Oceas how that help the Elfs?

I do not think it really did as there like everyone else.

 

Staff does not make nations die or live or revive it. Its a person that has passion that can work with others and can lead.

 

That leads a nation to its height, and a bad leader plummets it to the bottom of the ocean. 

 

The only successful Elf leader was Shiftnative. And in my eyes a new leader in Wardog the elfs can find.

Why pretend as if you totally didn't restore Oren and your being an Admin didn't help.  But you say other Admins can help and yet you've made it so that the Elves aren't even an actual nation anymore!  It's pure hypocrisy!  This just grinds my gears.  Mog there is no excuse-Oren is only where it's at because a staff member intervened and helped restore it.  It doesn't have to be you but come on, You can't use that excuse and then turn around and try to conquer us as a nation and remove our rights as a nation.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Arik I will take the chance to try and prove you wrong in the near future. I have been planning much recently in regards to preparing to give Malinor a breath of fresh air. Perhaps in time you will see what I have in store, however I cannot disclose much due to the good ol' meta thingamabob.

[Song Druid 1486]

Fair enough.  I do not intend to discount your efforts, just to point out that it's totally unfair to have an Admin restore Oren and then basically say they don't really want to do the same thing to Malinor.  Which would be okay if they didn't just take away our ability to be a nation.

[bob_raider11 2]

I like this idea, maybe Malinor won't be so empty now...

[Hiebe 2493]

Fair enough.  I do not intend to discount your efforts, just to point out that it's totally unfair to have an Admin restore Oren and then basically say they don't really want to do the same thing to Malinor.  Which would be okay if they didn't just take away our ability to be a nation.

The reason it wont happen again is cause MANY people were upset about the fact that Mog stepped in and fixed all their problems with his tag. (dont get me wrong its had its good values coming from it too)

 

Dwarves, elves, orcs, and humans have all had times where their playerbase has dropped and or gone inactive due to lost of appeal to the game, and each time someone or something has come along and made people attracted to that races and give new life to it.

 

Having staff step in and save dieing races or nation isnt appealing to people outside that group. Rply wouldnt nation fall and rise? and the only one Ive seen fall was Alras which was player built.

 

Why dont we go back to the announcment that said no more OOC conflicts or OOC intrusions happen to RP actions.

[youlovesocks 652]

nice :)

[Jchizz 115]

...

 

Quality RP doesn't attract players, not relative to other things. Especially not new players and less mature players. 

 

Power, winning, and sometimes trolliness attract player.

 

Sure, you can find fantastic RPers in all the nations, probably an equal amount in Oren, Malinor, Adunia, with the dwarves and orcs, etc... but what attracts the masses is being the only safe option left.

[-The Doctor- 65]

This is going to fall flat on its face so hard... I guess I'll watch from afar though.

[Sultan 3953]

Why pretend as if you totally didn't restore Oren and your being an Admin didn't help.  But you say other Admins can help and yet you've made it so that the Elves aren't even an actual nation anymore!  It's pure hypocrisy!  This just grinds my gears.  Mog there is no excuse-Oren is only where it's at because a staff member intervened and helped restore it.  It doesn't have to be you but come on, You can't use that excuse and then turn around and try to conquer us as a nation and remove our rights as a nation.

 

If that's true then why hasn't Mailnor risen from the ashs? As it has a Admin in its leadership, its been having an admin in the leadership for more than three months. 

 

it has nothing to do with the tag, it has to do with leadership and strength of that leader and his ability to be liked. Before I became a Admin the Orcs where a suprepower not as big as Oren but strong in its on right, had alras and salvus pay tribute to it warred Dwarfs, both elfs and humans constantly and won most of the time. Had active player-base of at-least 60. So no its not the tag

 

If it was the tag then Malnor would have recovered along time go. Its the effort that counts. 

 

I never said others cant I just said its not the tag, its me that resorted Oren, you need alot of things to make a strong nation leader. Lets say the tag may help but its not the main factor and does not add much in my eyes.

 

Elfs already have two staff members in its leadership and have been for a while now so your argument. Isn't entirely correct. 

 

How many people can become a strong nation leader on this sever? How many strong nation leaders have we had during our history? Not many at all maybe 3-4, 5 at most and we have had lots of Nation leaders. Its not a job that alot of people can do and it is a job a chore.