War Claim On Haelun'or

[Pinsir99 526]

((I was under the impression that factions could only deny warclaims for legitimate rp reasons, not ooc reasons.))

((But this reason is that most of their power comes from their mages, if they can't rp the magic during the battle, they will lose, especially because it has been said you cannot replace magic with armor , whether enchanted or not.))

[Jarkarll 314]

Let's see.

[ĔṀĔŔĨĨČĶ 519]

((In All Fairness the High Elven community did pretty much trash his RP post with a very cocky attitude. It's kind of funny that they'd deny his warclaim, despite acting so cocky before.))

[bignsxxy 128]

((We do not accept the denial of the war claim without a proper RP reason that would not allow them to partake in this battle. An ooc reason will inhibit the advancement of the whole servers rp, which is why it is not a logical excuse to deny a war claim. There was no plugin Asulon, nor before that, so there is no valid reason to not. This is an ooc reason to not fight, and it should not be abused to suit only one party in the matter)).

[Supremacy 3361]

Fundamentally there are a few problems here. The most glaring one to me is the fact his character was made entirely for the purpose of committing a genocide on the high elves. He has never been provoked or even dealt with the high elves— yet he has now declared war on them for being despicable and horrible creatures he has never interacted with. That being said, this is not what is being debated here even though it is a highly valid point.

 

In addition it is also worth noting that it would be difficult to surprise attack a city with orcs and Andunians as allies sailing to shore— since they undoubtably wouldn't be able to go through Malinor whatsoever and a group of ships would be spotted from quite some distance.

 

Really, one doesn't have a problem with a war claim in its raw form. That being said 20 of the approximate 35 members of the high elven community role-play mages. That is an astounding 57% of the populace. To attack Haelun'or is to attack a city which has inexplicably had its swords turn into putty and its bows vanish entirely. Once that is all said: We have a problem. You wish to attack a city which can't defend itself because of an OOC reason: The magic plugin does not exist yet.

 

So ultimately I am somewhat disappointed that we can't participate in a war, but there aren't any options open to do anything else, no?

[bignsxxy 128]

Your facts are completely false, Liu Mali'Chen has been active since the last world. He has fought in all the wars between then and interacted with dozens of high elves. Your reasons for stalling is not the servers problem, nor is the large unbalanced population Haelun'or has. The question of my character is of no concern to this war claim. This battle is to only capture the city, your knowledge of planned war crimes are just metagaming.

 

"You wish to attack a city which can't defend itself because of an OOC reason: The magic plugin does not exist yet."

 

I am not at fault for the poor planning to only train mages, and lack there of a proper diverse military force. If you do not agree with the current server step down until nexus comes out or cease all RP. Sounds silly right? When the next plugin comes out we will embrace it, but you cannot hold the server to a standstill for months due to an ooc reason and not a RP reason. 

[George of House Glover 372]

Fundamentally there are a few problems here. The most glaring one to me is the fact his character was made entirely for the purpose of committing a genocide on the high elves. He has never been provoked or even dealt with the high elves— yet he has now declared war on them for being despicable and horrible creatures he has never interacted with. That being said, this is not what is being debated here even though it is a highly valid point.

Dude, everyone wants to kill the high elves, it would be weird if his character didn't hate them

[Supremacy 3361]

Fundamentally what is being asked here can be examined this is what is being asked of within this war claim: An individual who has lacked provocation from the high elves (arguably) has declared war. He intends to surprise attack with all of his allies including two nations in order to attack a nation who has had 50% of its weaponry turn into putty. The attacked nation will have no extended warning.

 

To reverse this: Imagine attacking Haelun'or with 53% of your attackers in no armor and only being allowed to use their fists. In addition you may not bring allies or mercenaries but rather only the individuals in your group. You then must fight the high elves with a magic plugin, full armor and all their respective allies.

[Tayelikel 193]

Fundamentally what is being asked here can be examined this is what is being asked of within this war claim: An individual who has lacked provocation from the high elves (arguably) has declared war. He intends to surprise attack with all of his allies including two nations in order to attack a nation who has had 50% of its weaponry turn into putty. The attacked nation will have no extended warning.

 

To reverse this: Imagine attacking Haelun'or with 53% of your attackers in no armor and only being allowed to use their fists. In addition you may not bring allies or mercenaries but rather only the individuals in your group. You then must fight the high elves with a magic plugin, full armor and all their respective allies.

 

Like what was said before, not anyone else fault that the highelfs arent ready for an attack. its an IG issue, dont bring it into occ to stop a fight, there was no magic plugin in asulon or aegis, so why is that an issue now?

[bignsxxy 128]

Once again those are all OOC reasons and not RP reasons to deny a claim. I am not responsible nor care if you had poor planning, and you claims on my character are very unknown so stop making assumptions please. My elf is just greedy, mabye he wants Haelun'or for himself would that be so rare? Mabye he doesnt like how your city doesnt allow any other races? Until you can give me a legitimate reason RPly why you cannot fight, there is no reason to say nae, mmk? Your poor rp leadership is not my fault, you need a definitive non-ooc reason.

 

Normally when people want to commit genocide there is no real reason, it is a moronic evolution of events that result in death.

 

Odolf sheds a tear for no man.

[Dizzy771 900]

You then must fight the high elves with a magic plugin, full armor and all their respective allies.

 

 

Wot

 

 

This bends all the set war rules set down to my knowledge.

 

1: The very idea of a sneak attack is not unheard of, you can argue all you want saying that you could part way through call allies or something.

 

2: Armor is fine, you have it, use it. Battles are MC mechanics.

 

3: I am sick of high elves hiding behind the reason of the magic plugin. This is actually blatant power gaming. You can come and piss off any nation or group you wish and hide behind this with no repercussions. You could go and murder the king of Oren and then hide behind this reason, you cause the problem you must deal with it. This is a pure OOC reason to settle problems that YOU start in RP. If you keep power gaming with this reason watch the amount of people that will come crashing down on you seeking revenge. 

 

4: As I said above, battles are MC mechanics, this takes away any strength or over powered aspects from EVERYONE not just the high elves. Orcs cant knock down doors with ease during battles, rangers cant jump from tree to tree etc. neither can you use magic. The playing field is leveled.

 

 

Long story short, you cause problems you have to deal with it. Stop hiding.

[Bucky_24 132]

Until you can give me a legitimate reason RPly why you cannot fight, there is no reason to say nae, mmk? Your poor rp leadership is not my fault, you need a definitive non-ooc reason.

Just want to point out, it wouldn't make much sense for a Mage Nation to have a Martial Army in RP. Why would the most powerful RP beings require a standing martial force, when they can just blast you from their walls with magic? This isn't a question of poor RP leadership, it would be meta-gaming for Haelunor to have a martial army due to the fact that RPly, they don't need one. They only require one because MCly they can't fight as well as they could RPly...

[bignsxxy 128]

Just want to point out, it wouldn't make much sense for a Mage Nation to have a Martial Army in RP. Why would the most powerful RP beings require a standing martial force, when they can just blast you from their walls with magic? This isn't a question of poor RP leadership, it would be meta-gaming for Haelunor to have a martial army due to the fact that RPly, they don't need one. They only require one because MCly they can't fight as well as they could RPly...

Yes, I agree, but its not rp for 53% of a nation to all be mages. Not everything is reasonable, but logically they should have a martial army. They can kill anyone they want RP, now they have to play MC mech. like everyone else and they cower. A cities population of mage to citizen should not be that high to start with, its not Harry Potter for pete's sake.

[Kaun 102]

Yes, I agree, but its not rp for 53% of a nation to all be mages. Not everything is reasonable, but logically they should have a martial army.

Logically in /our/ world it would be. In this server, it is not. The High Elves developed this way over time, that cancels anything you have to say of 'logically it should be.' I'm not in the High Elven City nor do I want to be, but this is just getting out of hand. From what I am seeing, Kalenz does have a more 'logical' view point than you currently. He is basing his things off of facts while many of yours are off of beliefs of it.

[Dreek 1633]

Logically in /our/ world it would be. In this server, it is not. The High Elves developed this way over time, that cancels anything you have to say of 'logically it should be.' I'm not in the High Elven City nor do I want to be, but this is just getting out of hand. From what I am seeing, Kalenz does have a more 'logical' view point than you currently. He is basing his things off of facts while many of yours are off of beliefs of it.

Regardless of that, it doesn't matter. It's an ooc reason. Not an rp reason.