[Feedback] Wood Elven (Lin'ame) Gates

[Readicti 902]

I play a half-elf albino child who really doesn't follow any of the "pure" standards and she is still welcome to walk around Lin'ame (and really has no intention of living there). Its just a matter of getting on when other people are in the city. Obviously there is still the problem of off hours when guards can't be on but as wardog and many others have said that's just a matter are getting more diverse guards from different time zones (or those who don't ever sleep).

And as bird says, Lin'ame is supposed to be a safe place for wood elves. In Leannel there was always the problem of being raided or getting aggressive RP during off hours when only one or two guards were online (if we were lucky). This IC policy helps protect the people that do live within the city. It does suck that others simply looking for casual RP cannot get in all the time but there are definitely ways to still find RP in the area even when you can't get through the gate.

[Mining 129]

Not really sure what this business about being "turned away" is. My Human character is always allowed in. Why? Because they know he's not a trouble maker, won't be using any edgy dark magic, won't hurt Mali etc. Chardoodled, being turned away from the gate definitely isn't you being told your not good enough, it's an rp thing. It makes sense that dwarves won't be let into the city given they are currently at war with the dwarves. Sure, your dwarf MAY not be involved in the war efforts in anyway, and may even support the elves in the war. But they don't know that, and it'd take a lot of proving.

Yes, closed gates can be a pain for all. But I honestly don't think it's something that needs to be taken to ooc levels.

[Cyndikate 2303]

If you do not want to be a resident... You're the one who's isolating yourself, not us.

 

Not sure what you're talking about with an OOC network of grudges.

 

Also, Lin'ame in the scheme of things is rather newly established. Once more people go into the guard force across a variety of timezones, chances are that there will be less worry about the gate.

Correction: You're isolating yourselves and cutting off RP from the rest of the server, especially the new players who don't understand your concept of "Normalcy", and "24/7" locked gates. What if newbie was a wood elf and wanted to live in your town? You're effectively cutting off potential RP he has with the players of his own race.

 

If raiding is such a huge problem, why not let the citizens lock themselves in their own home

 

I actually went to the elven settlement 3 times per week the past two weeks, and I have either seen the city empty, or with a small amount of people in there but no guards to man the gates.

 

The dwarves were attacked nearly every day, and do you see them keeping their gates closed for such a ridiculously long period? No. What they did was smart, because they know by knowing that closing their gates, they would effectively isolate themselves and Alras from the rest of the server.

 

Keeping IC is fine, but when it comes to the point where it punishes players OOCly, this is problematic.

 

Don't consider this as me being upset OOCly about IC things. I admire your efforts to stay in roleplay, but what you're doing is hurting your own city.

[Space 2335]

but cyndy, just join the unrestrained cuz then u can open the gate and thats not any bias or something its not my guild oranything right guys?

 

I think we should just deal with it in rp. I think it is toxic OOC, and does prevent a lot of RP, and is sorta elitist.

 

But if their trying to be similar to high elves, wtih a very 'set' culture, being elitist and a bit toxic is sorta the theme.

[Temp 2006]

I just gotta ask, why are external parties trying to mediate a group that is doing just fine? I don't get it, at all.

If this group is keeping out new players, why are you complaining? Go make your own group and bring the new players to you. I'm seriously failing to see any true issues here...

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

I also fail to see the issues of new players. The concept is rather simple - prove you're sane and normal, and unlikely to be troublesome, by providing clear answers and no smart-ass vague responses instead, and you will be allowed entry.

 

We have five people on the registration's original post that you can personally private message - if your timezone has limited activity and you need to get organized.

 

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/109719-liname-citizenry-and-housing-registration/

 

I don't think the people complaining understand the concepts behind a closed gate that no one can operate. It also means there is no one online to speak to about housing, and it also means there is no one online to orient "new players" and get them situated within the town itself. The gate itself is only an issue because that's the only one you folks are capable of seeing. If we kept the gate open, there would no doubt be complaints of the Keeper/stewards not being on enough to give people homes or whatever else.

 

We're not elitist, I personally can tell you that I don't really care who you are OOCly, just as long as your RP is viable to being allowed in - you'll be allowed in. First impressions are everything, though, and if someone /looc's me saying I'm biased or abusive or whatever else, I really am not going to leap to attention to make sure you're situated - naturally.

 

All the times I've been on, I have several people in and outside the walls asking for my character's attention. It's overwhelming in some cases, and rightly so considering how high in demand guardsmen are within the town. Your examples of inactivity are frankly lost on me.

 

Temp said it pretty well - we've carved out Lin'ame from the ground up gradually over time. Originally it was just three, maybe four players actively making an effort to establish the town. This isn't a staff endorsed town that NEEDS to do anything, it's a town we made - from scratch. So anyone who is providing feedback, or input... More accurately complaints from what I've seen... Either get involved with Lin'ame - make your own town that follows your own suggestions - or be quiet and stop telling us what to do.

 

We won't be making changes because RPly, we wouldn't permit raiders to walk about our streets while our citizens cower in fear within their homes. We wouldn't be concerned with offending halfbreed Elves that can't find a home because their parents had no regard for social stigmas. Etc. Etc.

 

Respond if you want, but unless you show up in game as a Wood Elf and you make an active effort to get involved in Lin'ame itself, we're not going to do what you say.

[firespirit44 1323]

We always seem to talk about the new players:

 

But I want to know what the new players who register as elves think. Are you complaining on their behalf, or are you just complaining for yourself?

[Lago 2572]

If Lin'ame's model works, then it works and good on them. If it doesn't, then the settlement will change or die. Not seeing the issue.

[Birdwhisperer 1174]

We always seem to talk about the new players:

 

But I want to know what the new players who register as elves think. Are you complaining on their behalf, or are you just complaining for yourself?

I haven't heard any complaints from new players personally. I'm told that others have heard them, but none have been brought to me. The majority of the complaints I'm hearing are from older players who don't even have wood elf characters.

Correction: You're isolating yourselves and cutting off RP from the rest of the server, especially the new players who don't understand your concept of "Normalcy", and "24/7" locked gates. What if newbie was a wood elf and wanted to live in your town? You're effectively cutting off potential RP he has with the players of his own race.

If the new player is a wood elf, they'll be let in. It's truly that simple. Booklight brought this up to me over skype and I said the same thing. If you are playing a wood elf, you will be let in. If you're a new player joining as a wood elf, an old player joining as an old wood elf, or an old player joining as a new wood elf you will be let in. The 'think of the newbs!' argument has been brought up several times, but it's not an issue because new players playing wood elves will be let in. If there's no one at the gate when they arrive I have put up a list of people they can personally contact who will meet with them and help them out.

 

If you're a new or old player playing a human, dwarf, orc, half-elf, etc. then I'm sorry, you probably won't be let in. If a new player on a human character is having trouble finding RP... that is something that needs to be brought up to the human leaders, because I simply cannot fix that. My character is looking out for wood elves, I'm in charge of the wood elves, and I will do everything within my power to help out wood elf characters, new or old. But I cannot alter my character to cater to other demographics, and we're not going to alter IC policy about a closed gate to cater to OOC complaints. I can, however, invite you all to make wood elf characters! Then you'll be let in.

[Stag 3234]

 

I just gotta ask, why are external parties trying to mediate a group that is doing just fine? I don't get it, at all.

If this group is keeping out new players, why are you complaining? Go make your own group and bring the new players to you. I'm seriously failing to see any true issues here...

 

 

 

Thank you temp.

 

Saying new players are getting cut off is bullshit by the way. In my years as a high elf I can tell you that new players still come our way and new players are let in if they are RPing a pure high elf and given advice if they aren't because they didn't quite understand.

It's worked out so I think we are fine.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

We are a culture that lives behind closed gates to protect our women and children in a time of bloody war. No new players have ever complained to me about not being able to get in.

 

If by chance there are any new players playing wood elves reading this who haven't found anyone to let them into the city (not grumpy old players findings things to complain at who don't even play wood elves like Bird said) PM me and I'll get you settled in easy.

 

We ain't in Malinor no more. DEAL WITH IT IN RP

[Lago 2572]

Yell at a playerbase to build walls for long enough and they'll do it. Now they've done it, they're being yelled at to tear down those walls.

[spqrSancus 175]

We always seem to talk about the new players:

 

But I want to know what the new players who register as elves think. Are you complaining on their behalf, or are you just complaining for yourself?

 

To answer your question: This does not directly affect me, as I already have access to the city SS. It does, however, affect many others, some of whom would wait at the gates for a few hours, shouting for someone to let them in. A closed city gate with no one to man it leaves a really bad impression on those players who are new to either elven RP or to the server as a whole.

 

Thus, I am not complaining, but rather leaving others' valid concerns out for the elven community to see, judge, and act to accordingly.

 

PS: I am no longer responding to any posts. This does not concern me, and I have put the message forth. This is for wood elven administration to discuss and judge now.

[Heff 2460]

I'd love to believe that but it really isn't that. If you're a "dwarf" or "human" player who tries elf RP, not being able to act in a "pure" fashion, the lore for which isn't provided for new players or players new to elf RP, is basically the same as being OOCly told you aren't good enough.

 

I thought we were after getting rid of elitism, not propagating it. Regardless, I'll deal with this "IC" issue "IC" if I must.

lol Im not friends with the leaders OOCLY but I got in. You have to act like a properly accepted IC wood elf. If you run around in human armor with extremely pale skin with a large axe than yes, you will not be let in.

[Lago 2572]

I just got in on a dwarf. It's not how you RP but what you RP. I took a non-aggressive stance and asked questions about the city and the Bronze Culture. Prove you're not there to cause trouble and they'll let you in.