Let's Talk: This Leak

[Lima 774]

Maybe his internet legit just went down for a week, it happens. 

 

Claiming Oren to be a "DDoS" nation due to the fact you guys keep getting dogged is no excuse to whine. Matter to the fact is the staff on the server are trying to use OOC means in order to accomplish something RPly, they should be setting an example not pulling **** like this lol.

 

No, the reality is that it was a very clear DDOS. Nice making up excuses though.

 

I don't think that a population or entire culture should be allowed to be placed under another in such a manner on such a scale as a entire subrace. Staff intervention should be a natural option to this.

 

However, they should have spoken openly to the administration with such concerns. 

[meg 1994]

While certain individuals in that chat were in there for the sake of bettering relations, the chat itself was created to facilitate a plot born in OOC to oust Orenian influence from Elven lands by using largely OOC means.

 

In all fairness, I did my fair share of OOC bartering in that chat. But in my defense, I did ultimately stick to what my character would do ICly, in the end.

It seems like getting together in RP would be more interesting. I remember back in what, Anthos, Elene got together with a few older ex-Princes and Princesses to discuss ousting Titania, I mean it never went anywhere, but it was fun nonetheless.  So I dunno, too lazy to read through the whole thing so  I can't judge.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Urahra 5777]

Because Oren is powerful enough to attack and seige whoever they please whenever they feel like doing it.

 

Oh, for the love of Godan.

 

OREN IS NOT GOING TO GENOCIDE YOUR RACE.

 

We've conquered the elves twice in Orenian history. Now and back in Anthos.

 

Guess what? Elves still exist. Your lore is still intact. We never forced you to become pointy eared humans. You are just the same as you were. You will continue to be the same.

 

This "OREN IS GOING TO DESTROY OUR CULTURE" panic is totally unfounded. If we conquer you, you'll still have your culture. You won't be mass murdered. Everything will be fine.

 

Orenians are not monsters. We know you just wanna enjoy your cultural RP. So do we. Oren is made up of a LOT of diverse cultures. We aren't going to crush you into a grey, homogenized mass.

 

We never have. We never will.

 

Please relax.

 

EDIT: I checked with some of my friends in the Orenian military. We're not tearing down your cities, we're not forcing you to adopt human culture, we're not building Canonist churches on your lawn.

 

Basically, we're not doing much of anything. Why is everyone SO mad?

[Lima 774]

-snip-

 

You know that this is entirely situational. The crucifixtions and the excessive members of every nation really do make it worse for the majority and the pseudo-christian mass crucifixions on roads hardly gives a good impression.

 

And we both know that they have nothing short of those intentions with some nations. They placed in a favorable leader everywhere and while its all fine and dandy it produces a disparity between conflicting playerbases with conflicting interests in the very nature of RP by actually crushing the other.

 

And it does happen. War short term boosts activity long term kills it. War needs to be toned down, and Oren does too. 

 

But it is not up to hiding behind illegitimate OOC barriers like the intrigue we saw here. Its the administrations place to make these barriers. 

[Ludulo 75]

What honestly shocks me the most about all of this is the OOC manipulation to try and achieve something IC.

 

 

This is in stark contrast to this:

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/123725-a-quick-word-about-lotc-and-the-playerbase/#entry1190926

 

 

I think we need to keep in mind how RP should truly be handled. A bit of OOC planning here or there is dandy, but plotting to hide behind barriers to prevent dynamic RP is just disheartening.

[Z3r05t4r 855]

-Schnip-

 

Make me king, I am quite less radical, heh.

 

Well, it's part of their RP and I would assume a chunk of Oren wishes to also provide some antagonist role. Perhaps you have not realized it, but often enough it's big bad Oren versus the rest. Not pointing fingers, but do we not also provide a bit of an antagonist for you people?

 

Addendum: And yes, OOC plotting like that happens all the time to be frank, not being innocent here either, but you really should not draw in skygods on this.

[Lima 774]

Make me king, I am quite less radical, heh.

 

Well, it's part of their RP and I would assume a chunk of Oren wishes to also provide some antagonist role. Perhaps you have not realized it, but often enough it's big bad Oren versus the rest. Not pointing fingers, but do we not also provide a bit of an antagonist for you people?

 

A antagonist made of the wrong players with the wrong attitudes does not provide well. I rarely consider "Heathen you are scum die" a contribution to the server, but it is the intention of a entire order and that it the only roleplay I have seen them provide in 3 separate encounters. 

 

War for the sake of war is a joke. They fail to provide in that role in any manner and their diplomacy is based around feeling powerful and providing to themselves and not the playerbases they contest. That is why Oren will never be a antagonist of any merit. 

[Sky 0]

I feel the need to comment, though note that this isn't an official statement on behalf of the staff or administration, purely my personal opinion.

 

First of all, when it comes to the fact that a Skype group was made to discuss role play in an out of character area, a lot of people saying that it's not looked upon highly but all I see is someone wishing to plan an interesting event in role play and discussing it, we all do it and every nation has a chat where they discuss role play opportunities. 

 

As for Connor "using his staff powers against the others", well that's not true. Point to me a spot where he tries to heave his weight around, the only times I can see even to do with the staff team is when he mentions speaking with the Admins and the Global Moderators, hardly using his staff powers to communicate. 

 

Finally, we all know that the elves have been at one another's throats for a long while now and this, well this whole leaking of Skype logs is stupid, plain and simple. Both sides play victim cards, and then this crap happens, you all know this will ignite some sort of rage induced coma to the other person but people hardly care.

 

Seriously, stop looking for ways to drag someone through the mud publicly and handle it privately. There are literally two ways this can be viewed. You saw this as a genuine case of abuse, so you take it to an administrator or you are using this to simply drag people through the mud publicly.

[Z3r05t4r 855]

A antagonist made of the wrong players with the wrong attitudes does not provide well. I rarely consider "Heathen you are scum die" a contribution to the server, but it is the intention of a entire order and that it the only roleplay I have seen them provide in 3 separate encounters. 

 

War for the sake of war is a joke. They fail to provide in that role in any manner and their diplomacy is based around feeling powerful and providing to themselves and not the playerbases they contest. That is why Oren will never be a antagonist of any merit. 

 

Applicable point, I am not going to speak against you. We are far from clean and we have our faction players. I again can conclude that we are all egoistic entities.

[Lima 774]

Applicable point, I am not going to speak against you. We are far from clean and we have our faction players. I again can conclude that we are all egoistic entities.

 

Indeed, so it is best instead to take all egotist entities and threaten them equally to force co-operation. While the undead were ultimately a massive failure their ability to unite the entire map was brilliant.

 

So it is also fair to say that a real antagonist should be made. 

[Sultan 3953]

A antagonist made of the wrong players with the wrong attitudes does not provide well. I rarely consider "Heathen you are scum die" a contribution to the server, but it is the intention of a entire order and that it the only roleplay I have seen them provide in 3 separate encounters. 

 

War for the sake of war is a joke. They fail to provide in that role in any manner and their diplomacy is based around feeling powerful and providing to themselves and not the playerbases they contest. That is why Oren will never be a antagonist of any merit. 

 

Let me just point out, that RPLY, you people antagonized Oren. The Dwarfs started this, and then the Elfs did by killing the King.

 

From what I can tell Woodelfs are actually fine and living well under Oren, none of the crucfiction stof happens actually nor do Human soldiers go into Cerilun or any other Elf city and go elf scum heathen die.

 

Your just making things up to make your point seem legit. Which it is not since Oren is not actively killing the Elven playerbase, the only thing Oren did is have the Elfs as vessel there is no intervention at all. There isnt even Human troops in elven lands lol.

 

I am highly disgusting by this as it was the reason for the exudos the first time, and it seems to happen again. Its always gms from other races nagging on humans oocly and using ooc measures to bring us down because they got removed from power in there nation. 

 

And apparently Conner has a fetish about me bec he keeps saying Mog fucked. :P

[mylimo7 409]

A antagonist made of the wrong players with the wrong attitudes does not provide well. I rarely consider "Heathen you are scum die" a contribution to the server, but it is the intention of a entire order and that it the only roleplay I have seen them provide in 3 separate encounters.

War for the sake of war is a joke. They fail to provide in that role in any manner and their diplomacy is based around feeling powerful and providing to themselves and not the playerbases they contest. That is why Oren will never be a antagonist of any merit.

The Dwarves and the rest of the races did nothing but continue hostile relations with Oren when it was at its weakest point in time. Anthos is evidence of continued antagonization of the Human race where the Dwarves ended up subjugating the Empire of Oren. Whether or not it was willingly or not, the lords had no options. The Dwarves, Elves, and Orcs are facing the consequences by subjugation and they had the opportunities to conditional surrender.

[Lima 774]

Let me just point out, that RPLY, you people antagonized Oren. The Dwarfs started this, and then the Elfs did by killing the King.

 

From what I can tell Woodelfs are actually fine and living well under Oren, none of the crucfiction stof happens actually nor do Human soldiers go into Cerilun or any other Elf city and go elf scum heathen die.

 

Your just making things up to make your point seem legit. Which it is not since Oren is not actively killing the Elven playerbase, the only thing Oren did is have the Elfs as vessel there is no intervention at all. There isnt even Human troops in elven lands lol.

 

I am highly disgusting by this as it was the reason for the exudos the first time, and it seems to happen again. Its always gms from other races nagging on humans oocly and using ooc measures to bring us down because they got removed from power in there nation. 

 

And apparently Conner has a fetish about me bec he keeps saying Mog fucked. :P

 

 

Your right, but the dwarves did not antagonize humanity when you forget the dynamic of events. If you want to look at this as one massive war since your time (Which aparently Oren does) then sure, however it is not ultimately the case in recent history.

 

Peace was achieved, between the last conflict and this once.

 

Laureh'lin was attacked, afterwards, by High Elves. Dwarves assisted Laureh'lin, and the Kingdom of Oren assisted the high elves. They lost casus beli but continued a war on part of the fact that they probably only joined for the sake of making the Kingdom of Oren boost its activity through constant war. 

 

And Oren does do that 'Die Heathen', it does it to dwarves on the road and elves on the road and I have seen it done many times, it also uses OOC measures just the same. A sub race should have the option to not be conquered by another force or puppeted. So please tell me what I am making up?

[Sultan 3953]

I feel the need to comment, though note that this isn't an official statement on behalf of the staff or administration, purely my personal opinion.

 

First of all, when it comes to the fact that a Skype group was made to discuss role play in an out of character area, a lot of people saying that it's not looked upon highly but all I see is someone wishing to plan an interesting event in role play and discussing it, we all do it and every nation has a chat where they discuss role play opportunities. 

 

As for Connor "using his staff powers against the others", well that's not true. Point to me a spot where he tries to heave his weight around, the only times I can see even to do with the staff team is when he mentions speaking with the Admins and the Global Moderators, hardly using his staff powers to communicate. 

 

Finally, we all know that the elves have been at one another's throats for a long while now and this, well this whole leaking of Skype logs is stupid, plain and simple. Both sides play victim cards, and then this crap happens, you all know this will ignite some sort of rage induced coma to the other person but people hardly care.

 

Seriously, stop looking for ways to drag someone through the mud publicly and handle it privately. There are literally two ways this can be viewed. You saw this as a genuine case of abuse, so you take it to an administrator or you are using this to simply drag people through the mud publicly.

 

ORLY? 

 

[4/1/2015 4:57:45 PM] Connor: As for getting rid of Oren, Bird. This is not Malinor and Mog is not an admin. If we kill their men in elven cities and say GTFO, they're gone.

[4/1/2015 4:57:45 PM] Connor: That's a... Convince the staff to tell Oren to **** off, issue.

[4/1/2015 5:03:42 PM] Connor: Well, we wait until the admins clear "Oren can't **** over all the races".

[4/1/2015 5:17:35 PM] Connor: The admin issue is like 90% solved

[4/1/2015 5:17:41 PM] Connor: If we declare independence, we won't be fucked

[4/1/2015 5:17:43 PM] Connor: I'm 99% sure

[4/1/2015 5:21:12 PM] Mothman the Mithradites Squiggles McGee: DOing this at the wrong time could just end up with a crusade.

[4/1/2015 5:21:18 PM] Connor: And Mith

[4/1/2015 5:21:21 PM] Connor: There will be no crusade

[4/1/2015 5:21:32 PM] Connor: Literally the whole staff team recognize how shitty this is for orcs, dwarves and elves.

 

I see three gms in this chat how many more support this kinda thinking? How many gms ***** and slander and talk **** in gm chat about Oren in gm chat that leads to ooc intervention to prevent rp? If you say its not happening il tell you to your face your a liar, you know why because I have been there ive seen it, its disgustingly toxic. 

 

Conner is saying we can do what we want and the Admins/GMS well not allow Oren to retaliate forcing Oren to accept whatever we do.

 

You called it an Event sky really? An event where all Elves gain independence without owning their pillars and ousting Orens control without Oren being able to do anything about it? Without Oren being able to interfere after to quell this rebellion? Because Gms/Admins told them they cant do **** about it.

 

Nice try sky.

[Z3r05t4r 855]

Your right, but the dwarves did not antagonize humanity when you forget the dynamic of events. If you want to look at this as one massive war since your time (Which aparently Oren does) then sure, however it is not ultimately the case in recent history.

 

Peace was achieved, between the last conflict and this once.

 

Laureh'lin was attacked, afterwards, by High Elves. Dwarves assisted Laureh'lin, and the Kingdom of Oren assisted the high elves. They lost casus beli but continued a war on part of the fact that they probably only joined for the sake of making the Kingdom of Oren boost its activity through constant war. 

 

And Oren does do that 'Die Heathen', it does it to dwarves on the road and elves on the road and I have seen it done many times, it also uses OOC measures just the same. A sub race should have the option to not be conquered by another force or puppeted. So please tell me what I am making up?

 

What the dwarves currently have if I may note on that, is the result of an action taken by a Grand King a good amount of months ago, when the dwarves decided it's a good idea to fight against Oren and then proceed to intervene in the human realms. It just comes back to bite them. Not that it is relevant here right now, we are straying from the topic, the "dwarves' folly" can be discussed in another respective thread.

 

As for Oren using OOC, yes, as I said, we are not clean ourselves. Everyone uses OOC to some degree. I think the issue is the feeling for bias of the staff against a group of players, primarily the PVP-hungry faction-lovers of Oren, or as you generalize them with everyone else within the nation, Oren. I think this is the matter at hand, and by times even I, as an old-time Orenian feel like there is a grudge from the staff towards us, often incited by personal judgement.