[Magic Lore] – Arcanism

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

1 hour ago, Toxcat said:

Arcanism needs to take up more than one slot especially when it's this big of a magic. Probably one of the biggest points the LT made too.

 

They have never made this point to me. In fact it was the opposite. They wanted Celestialism (where the second slot comes into play) to not take up that second slot. 

 

This magic isn’t even that big. It just has a lot of spells that are incremental so they each needed an entire section for themselves, inflating the space they take up. 

 

That being said you didn’t read the lore closely enough. Else you would have seen the part where it is stated that with 1 slot of Arcanism you get 1 out of 3 combat specializations. If you want the other ones you need to add additional slots to the magic. Meaning it could potentially take up 3 slots. 

[ZythusRequiem 122]

3 hours ago, BrandNewKitten said:

That being said you didn’t read the lore closely enough. Else you would have seen the part where it is stated that with 1 slot of Arcanism you get 1 out of 3 combat specializations. If you want the other ones you need to add additional slots to the magic. Meaning it could potentially take up 3 slots. 

 

That part was actually scrapped in favour of the community’s voice. Instead now it is a one slot magic with the expectation that your average mage won’t have all the spells in every specialization. If this is an issue LT will bring it up and I will fix it.

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

55 minutes ago, ZythusRequiem said:

 

That part was actually scrapped in favour of the community’s voice. Instead now it is a one slot magic with the expectation that your average mage won’t have all the spells in every specialization. If this is an issue LT will bring it up and I will fix it.

  

Oh it has just been redacted! I’m okay with that. I still think Celestialism should be where that second slot comes into play. 

[IsaaKc 1225]

3 hours ago, ZythusRequiem said:

 

That part was actually scrapped in favour of the community’s voice. Instead now it is a one slot magic with the expectation that your average mage won’t have all the spells in every specialization. If this is an issue LT will bring it up and I will fix it.

I’m still struggling to understand this. How many specializations can you have for one slot and can additional slots be provided?

[ZythusRequiem 122]

15 hours ago, JrBuilderCaesar said:

I’m still struggling to understand this. How many specializations can you have for one slot and can additional slots be provided?

 

Ok, first, I’m sorry this wasn’t made more clear. But originally I had the system set to basically if you specialized in two, you used one slot, if you specialized in three you’d use two slots. The people in the Disc Group Chat didn’t really like this because all the spells essentially were just incremental of the same abilities, meaning that these spells just “go up” in power over the tiers but they do the same things in principle. Consequently, I heard this request and changed this magic to an absolute 1 slot magic. Yes you could theoretically specialize in 3 of them with using only one slot, but such would demand extreme dedication. Since there are net ~20 spells, excluding the non-combats total, I’d be more than willing to make this a two slot magic on the foundation someone specializes in three specializations once again. I’ll be waiting to hear from LT if they mention that as a problem to me.

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

50 minutes ago, ZythusRequiem said:

 

Ok, first, I’m sorry this wasn’t made more clear. But originally I had the system set to basically if you specialized in two, you used one slot, if you specialized in three you’d use two slots. The people in the Disc Group Chat didn’t really like this because all the spells essentially were just incremental of the same abilities, meaning that these spells just “go up” in power over the tiers but they do the same things in principle. Consequently, I heard this request and changed this magic to an absolute 1 slot magic. Yes you could theoretically specialize in 3 of them with using only one slot, but such would demand extreme dedication. Since there are net ~20 spells, excluding the non-combats total, I’d be more than willing to make this a two slot magic on the foundation someone specializes in three specializations once again. I’ll be waiting to hear from LT if they mention that as a problem to me.

 

And I have always said that mages should get less magic slots in general so they are more specialized and less of an “everything mage.” I am fine with it either way regarding the current system.

 

However In my opinion you shouldn’t get 5 slots. You should only get a certain number of tiers to spend. Right now everyone gets 25 tiers (5 tier-5 magics) and unlimited feats. You should get less tiers and feats should cost a tier. 

[Demotheus 649]

On 10/11/2019 at 9:35 AM, ZythusRequiem said:

 

Ok, first, I’m sorry this wasn’t made more clear. But originally I had the system set to basically if you specialized in two, you used one slot, if you specialized in three you’d use two slots. The people in the Disc Group Chat didn’t really like this because all the spells essentially were just incremental of the same abilities, meaning that these spells just “go up” in power over the tiers but they do the same things in principle. Consequently, I heard this request and changed this magic to an absolute 1 slot magic. Yes you could theoretically specialize in 3 of them with using only one slot, but such would demand extreme dedication. Since there are net ~20 spells, excluding the non-combats total, I’d be more than willing to make this a two slot magic on the foundation someone specializes in three specializations once again. I’ll be waiting to hear from LT if they mention that as a problem to me.

You just gave me the answer to a problem with illusion I'd been struggling with. 

 

Nice. 

 

On 10/11/2019 at 10:30 AM, BrandNewKitten said:

 

And I have always said that mages should get less magic slots in general so they are more specialized and less of an “everything mage.” I am fine with it either way regarding the current system.

 

However In my opinion you shouldn’t get 5 slots. You should only get a certain number of tiers to spend. Right now everyone gets 25 tiers (5 tier-5 magics) and unlimited feats. You should get less tiers and feats should cost a tier. 

This isn't a general magic system thread. 

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

7 hours ago, Demotheus said:

You just gave me the answer to a problem with illusion I'd been struggling with. 

 

Nice. 

 

This isn't a general magic system thread. 

 

Cool it with the sass. It was in direct reference to the topic of THIS thread.

 

Thanks! 

[Demotheus 649]

4 hours ago, BrandNewKitten said:

 

Cool it with the sass. It was in direct reference to the topic of THIS thread.

 

Thanks! 

Ain't no sass sir. It wasn't related to arcanism. You were talking about what you wanted for magic tires as a whole and had gone on a tangent. 

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

2 hours ago, Demotheus said:

Ain't no sass sir. It wasn't related to arcanism. You were talking about what you wanted for magic tires as a whole and had gone on a tangent. 

 

And you called it upon your own authority to moderate. So chill it. Can a mod just clean up the thread for the author, including my “tangent.”

[mitto 2307]

Please just keep the discussion about the topic at hand and avoid personal critiques, if you have suggestions for the piece I emplore you to contact OP directly. Otherwise move it to another thread and leave this one for discussion and clarification only, critiques should be made constructively, come on guys.

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

On 11/30/2019 at 8:19 PM, Amayonnaise said:

@ZythusRequiem First of all, absolutely fantastic work! I’ve been trying to teach a pre-loregame student for a while and it has been really finnicky to figure out the emote counts for some of the basic spells we’ve been going over. I decided to go through the Loregames today (finally) to see if an Arcanism rewrite was even up, and I’m so dang happy that you have EMOTE COUNTS, hallelujah! 

But secondly, in regards to specialisation;

- Life is a specialisation that can only be used by an Arcanist who has Configuration also? And do you need to specialise in Life in order to use configuration with it? Or is it a free to use the same as Art is, provided you have Configuration?

- Weapons / Projectiles / Shielding are the main 3 specialisations people have the choice of mastering, so say I’ve mastered Projectiles and Shielding as the only two specialisations I want to master, how many spells am I capable of casting from the Weapon Specialisation? Is it the first 3, or is it different for each specialisation?
 

 

It is important to note that this is not yet accepted. Regulations put in place here are subject to change.

 

On current lore: Life specialization has a few spells that can be cast without Conjuration. These forms are rough shapes and non-sentient. 

 

There are no hard-rules on how many spells you can use from any number of specializations. I say you should focus on 1 and mingle into the others unless Arcanism is your main magic. Then I would allow yourself to explore it a bit more freely.

 

Emote counts will definitely help teach Arcanism though so if you have any comments about specific ones I would bring it up. 

[BrandNewKitten 2789]

10 hours ago, Amayonnaise said:

I’m just happy the rewrite has emote counts, regardless of whether they change etc!

I know the current Life Specialisation has spells that can be used, but they’re not listed in this rewrite at all. Is there a reason behind that, or is it being fully melded with configuration?

 

The writer of this specific iteration cut it essentially.