Fail RP, Rep, and Forum "Roleplay".

[PCSwift 1422]

I made a le epic darkspawn post

and got ratio'd by someone who said my character smells bad

lol? im so glad forums are roleplay reddit chungus

[sam33497 7356]

>remove rep
>remove 'popular topics'
>remove 'recent topics'

>to use forum functionality directly you must manually navigate to subforums to examine happenings
>pinging ic posts in discord is now bannable for metagaming (st eventlines excepted)

>you have to use the sign plugin to advertise new posts, you must go physically rp reading missives, or have 'mailmen' use the new link with the edit gui to distribute missives. heavy reduction in quipping as actual roleplay attached to reading forum posts

 

🤔can lotc survive this and become based?

[NotEvilAtAll 10906]

14 minutes ago, sam33497 said:

>remove rep
>remove 'popular topics'
>remove 'recent topics'

>to use forum functionality directly you must manually navigate to subforums to examine happenings
>pinging ic posts in discord is now bannable for metagaming (st eventlines excepted)

>you have to use the sign plugin to advertise new posts, you must go physically rp reading missives, or have 'mailmen' use the new link with the edit gui to distribute missives. heavy reduction in quipping as actual roleplay attached to reading forum posts

 

🤔can lotc survive this and become based?

rep at least should be removed. we don't need reddit karma on the forums really, it doesn't add anything.

[wowj 9763]

they found out about my repfarm its over

[Animael 1500]

Good post, read this.

I like the idea of removing Rep. More restrictions could be good too. 

[MysticalWeasel 915]

Unironically easy fix, remove all ways to send missives outside of war claims/eventlines. Force people to use already established IC ways to send messages and make all announcements in discords meta game outside of town bells/pings for groupactivities. Again forcing people to get on and interact. So that information can only be transmitted icly, and again forcing people to do it the RP way. 

I heavily agree that these posts continue to degrade RP as it just allows a character to know things they shouldn't or would need to be taught ICly. Leaving it up to the player to decide to be ignorant or not. Respectfully it should not be left up to the player cause 9/10 they will choose the easier option which is to just look at missive and say they now know icly. Rather then go through the effort and RP to find out information. 

There was a post someone made about Lumbridge activities. And simply made a forum post exposing their plans. No RP to contact nations, no risk to them trying to do meet ups or getting caught. Simply made a post, and now everyone knows. Regardless of if they did the effort to find the information. They used the forums as a shield to protect themselves and let everyone essentially know something they'd have no one of knowing simply cause missive. 

As well I am not gonna banter someone for posting scrolls on the forum for it to be easier to digest over forcing someone to read it in a minecraft book. That stuff is an eye sore, but I think that it needs to be linked to a wooden sign to justify RPly reading it, and can in turn be burned/destroyed by other players removing ways to find that information. Say for instance a group of Naz burn down a whole library destroying tons of knowledge. That rp is meaningless cause simply look at forum post, no RP way to counteract such knowledge. Simple example but the point stays. Choosing convenience over roleplay will always degrade the nature of the RP and remove immersion from the character. 

 

[PrimnyaQuorum 4007]

This does feel much like another "Look at all these problems!" post, which will result in nothing happening.

 

We all agree this is a issue, we all are aware of it to some extent, and we all typically partake in it to varying degrees. On my Inferi I've tried to limit what posts I make to either A) Preluding something it will do or B) Concluding something it has done: even not fully upholding it, it's been much more enjoyable, though I've noticed it doesn't really make a difference.

 

Frankly, there is no respect for distance on LoTC: Letters and raid parties travel the entire continent in about 5-15 minutes tops, and that's if someone bothers to carry a message in game, and not just link a forum post over discord or ping a server to rally/read. 

 

Another point to consider is the protection forum posts offer: If someone gets killed and doesn't PK, that can't be mentioned over the forums. In-game, however - someone who killed another person can point that out without any sort of red tape. The rule exists for a good reason, but it is a shield regardless.

 

All in all, though, these points means nothing without a solution in mind, and people actively working towards that solution. CRP sucks, but as far as I'm aware there's no intention to fix that - Lore is all over the place in what to refer to where for the correct redlines, with any ST members being free to totally uproot all that with a single verdict, but no ones really doing anything about that; what's different here?

 

Removing rep is a nothingburger - people will still link their quips and thinly-veiled OOC remarks to all their friends, posts will remain up on discord for people to access anytime. I mentioned it in another post, but the fact a "book" of IRP information likely does not physically exist in-game but only over the forums, and thus can never be destroyed/stolen/forged is so glaringly anti-RP, yet just normalized. Everyone must win against the other guy, and minimize the punishments/consequences they take. Rules must be exploited to the letter of the law to get the most advantage, because no one's going to get punished for doing that - only for breaking it, sometimes. 

 

There will likely be no action from staff over this post. If you want this kind of change, enforce it in your community, show its possible. Though that's unlikely to happen in the communities I'd guess your directing this towards.

[xo31 3988]

1 hour ago, sam33497 said:

>you have to use the sign plugin to advertise new posts, you must go physically rp reading missives, or have 'mailmen' use the new link with the edit gui to distribute missives. heavy reduction in quipping as actual roleplay attached to reading forum posts

 

i would **** up playing a courier 

[Rig 17590]

I skimmed because I can't be fucked to weigh in that heavily. But I share the sentiment.

The forums should be a place to casually post documents, lore, or statuses. It's not a place to conduct long-term RP. Forums should be for documentation.

The fix is better role models and altering the nation system. Unfortunately, Discord is a way larger issue than the forums as it pertains how how Discord influences role-play, world-building, and MC Geopolitics in-game.

[ScreamingDingo 20568]

You all just want rep removed to dethrone my top spot.

 You’re never getting it

  you can pry it from my dead hands

   You will not take my crown

[tasty_cheesecake 2298]

I think we should add downvotes so we can better let people know what we think of them (derogatory)

 

and furthermore paleknights must be destroyed

[Random 1697]

Ngl I don't really see how the 'The Solution?' part offers a real solution unless you think rep is the sole root of all evil here

Edited October 18, 2024 by Dr Random K.

[kujo_ 2510]

  

very wise mr mordu. i agree with these sentiments. i find myself logging on less and less because its easier to read the forums instead of running around ingame struggling to find rp. about a year ago i made a post with the same idea (and a lot less words damn!!) and its interesting to see how community opinions have changed. it also included a couple other solutions, but after reading this post im curious what your thoughts are on flat out removing replies from certain forum posts? i think it would at least neuter the "help me ratio" forum warriors and force people to say their piece IC, but it could be detrimental for others (e.g. guild posts where you apply in the replies)

 

heres the post for reference

 

10 hours ago, The King Of The Moon said:

We've all listened to the newest album because everyone's talking about it

favorite track on the new remix album?

[MrMojoMordor 2413]

12 hours ago, The King Of The Moon said:

You need only go back to the Atlas subforum to see how starkly different things were.

There was forum RP before though.
IIRC back in 2011-2013 or somewhere there, there was an entire section dedicated to RPing on the forums. Mostly it was very casual though, and wasn't huge. I think i got myself a house in the halfling realm through RPing there lmao. 

This was over 10 yrs ago & my grasp on english wasn't very good back then so i might be misremembering. 

[Venomous_Pup 2978]

Being vaguely referenced in this post by one of the status comments included I wanted to say regarding my post in particular this one, its incredibly disappointing being included under various categories without any thought that might have lead to my character wanting to spread such propaganda, my persona met Astark back during early Celia'nor days, was given let privy to one of her plans regarding shunting a feat both of the characters had. She mentioned to Astark that she had issues with Xionism because she saw the ideology in practice made them nothing but bandits with ghost powers and that there was a fundamental flaw of what would actually transpire if Gods died as was discussed. She watched while under Gashadokuro as she attempted to rally the Xionists to get revenge, only to witness infighting, apathy and nothing really happening, so she waited for Astark to be in prime position to be swayed and when she saw the missives put out regarding Astark she was in twisted joy because she believed Astark was at that precipice of change, and then she was killed. Prior to this my persona had a distaste towards Xionists because of the fact a Seer was killed by one of their members when they were also tied to Xionism, after Astark's death another Seer which she found out was butchered by them, and recently another Mystic spreading information (via missive) resulting in what she perceives as a threat to her existence, regardless how indirect it is because I know OOCly she isn't the target. Nothing in that post includes any useful information is just basically her saying "You are going to die because of your own actions." My main OOC desire with that post is to try do something akin to a Dark Oracle of Delphi, I find whatever information I can, determine what might occur and make a claim what is going to happen. I don't think we should assume the worst out of people doing it for the sake of rep farming or otherwise OOC trying to manipulate the situation via forums posts, while I might agree, I think it comes down to finding a solution to making missives more engaging and RP friendly, as I replied to your status update, LotC is probably the only server you can do legitimate propaganda posting and to wipe it away because a few bad actors is going to suck.

I do agree with other aspects of this post, however, I wonder how the implementation will be handled and wonder if the way forums missives are left the way they have been is simply the ease of it. Trust with most Nations and Staff as of right now is at a low, the idea of attempting to send missives like that in future via actual in game action of personally going to those places to pin them up, establishing a legitimate spy network to enact out such for me sounds incredibly fun and generates more RP but then there is that worry in the back of the head the missives simply get torn down not for any real RP reasoning, just a simple OOC fear of "If we have this here, x, y, z might think we are supporting these people and instantly warclaim us" and resulting in whatever people getting ostracized as a result for trying to put in real effort for RP. 

I also agree with the statement of Roleplay being trumped by OOC popularity, this issue extends outside of the topic of forums and ultimately makes the server a shitty place to RP. The screenshot below to me was just incredibly mindblowing to me and highlights how the attitudes talked about extend past the forums.

The solution to our problems shouldn't be to encourage toxicity, rule breaking, metaplay, etc. against groups we dislike, it shouldn't be that difficult to talk to one another about our problems or report to staff when people are legitimately in the wrong, there is more to delve into regarding Roleplay being trumped by OOC popularity but I personally don't believe forums being the cause of this, merely a symptom of this gross mindset that has festered in the community that needs to be ripped out if the server is going to get any better.

Its crazy to think about how much avenues of communication we have with one another with Discord existing yet the only thing that seemingly has resulted from it is just a growth of shitty plays and behavior.