Addressing Metaplay

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

Bruh who tf is recruiting anybody for an upcoming conflict when we've been waiting over 2 years for actual war plugins and for a fix on the war server. No such thing as big conflicts on lotc because of all the restrictions you put in place. Half the people on this server are here for the conflict including myself. Server is real stale when theres no conflict.

[Gridlock 1033]

I just wonder who snitched.

[monkeypoacher 8055]

14 hours ago, Telanir said:

In case you're wondering, no we didn't make him step down.

The way I see it, it is a noble decision. All of us on the team, and especially Hogo, understand that if metaplay continues to run wild we are sitting on a pile of shit. It's the spontaneity and autonomy that we earn with our good nature, our self-restraint, and our creative integrity that allows this place to be worthwhile.

The way you make your friends along the way speaks to your character. Metaplay is obnoxious, manipulative, and harmful. It is not right to make "friends" here through joint scheming. There is a wrong way to play this server. It has no winners.

Thank you Hogo.

POV: your phone vibrates at 7:30 AM. It's an @here from the Scrum Master. There will be a mandatory all hands in 30 minutes to discuss whether everyone on the team is really thriving.

 

[Kylo 153]

posting my response here so I can farm reddit gold off this post ty

[colovian fur 8360]

I know who the snitch is, buy me Rimworld dlcs, maybe you’ll find out who it is. 
 

Source: trust me

 

-Q

[MysticalWeasel 911]

responding so I am included and so you can see my signature

[Venomous_Pup 2978]

5 hours ago, JesterMilk said:

I believe this is a bad way to look at it, for most anything there is a warning system and I think at least the CHANCE for them to improve would be good, change is a part of life and EVERYONE changes. Meta-play does harm the server but it isn't the absolute worst thing someone can do. If we are really worried about the state and quality of the server then we should discourage those cowboy bandit groups as well.

I'm not a mod tho.

Metaplay itself isn't the worst thing someone can do, simply the other behaviour that often comes with it is. The chance for an individual to improve themselves isn't removed when they get banned from the server, it just simply is or isn't going to happen off the server, it isn't anyone's right that they get access to LotC and it is pretty deserved if you go against what should be common sense core community values you lose access to said community. Imagine trying to play a DnD campaign and some guy is whispering in the DMs ear about what should be changed about the game so it benefits him, then him approaching you and the other players about how you should roleplay YOUR characters, not for any legitimate reason like discussing story beat ideas to keep cohesion when the moment comes, but navigating you purely OOCly to maintain control over the game and thus the story without any regard to your thoughts, feelings or enjoyment of the game. It has no place in any roleplaying community.  

Assuming the Cowboys have been breaking rules, then gather whatever info you can and make sure it is properly reported, even if you think it leads to nothing. I know at least a couple of players would be banned if people had reported their behaviour but they haven't because people for various reasons don't report it, however, I also know some cases where bans have been given because a report was made. On that other note, my biggest worry when the whole topic of metaplay was brought into existence was that nothing was going to happen with it, however, it has consistently been reinforced since August last year, and I think genuinely pushing the server towards a better direction, while I do agree with some of the criticism I also disagree with how it seems like they need to push out a perfect system before it can even be implemented. When I came back to the server, about 5 months before even the metaplay post got made, I was in a group and a player got meta rallied against, I had no beneficial reason to help said player as it could have been determinantal to my position in the group, but I did anyway by giving him information so he could report it. My thought process was simple, it was a shit thing to put someone through and it is not the kind of behaviour I would tolerate from anyone I want to hang out with, breaking and bending the rules when it best suits them. Under the new metaplay rules if that happened and I'd remained silent during it I think a ban would have been justified and therein lies my problem, I didn't need the metaplay rules to exist to make a decent decision, because that is all the metaplay rules are really simple principles that should be standard for any RP medium.

I as a player told myself I would maintain a standard as best I could at all times, and do whatever I can to foster a decent overall community. What it ultimately comes down to is intention, if you aren't discussing because you enjoy the RP or trying to come up with cool ideas, but basically trying to dominate another player/group it has no place here.

 

[Ninjay 1184]

4 hours ago, Cally said:

 

No need to be overly unkind; even if he has made mistakes, Larry is still a good soul in the eyes of myself and many others.

[Chaw 964]

dumb decision. 

[iris1612 1780]

the thing that is most displeasing to me about this situation is that I've been given a broad ban for "metaplay" with no communication of what the SPECIFIC acts of metaplay committed were. Players were given between 2 weeks and 3 months ban, while other players didn't get banned at all- so clearly, each case has its own individual factors that contributed to the ban and ban length. We should know what the rationale was for these decisions!

I personally am still guessing at why I've been banned at all, and especially why I've been banned for 3 months. If admins are serious about wanting to stop metaplay on the server, they need to start being transparent about what counts as metaplay so that people can learn from it.

[Adelemphii 1766]

o7 hojo bogo, he finally retired

[monkeypoacher 8055]

2 hours ago, Venomous_Pup said:

Metaplay itself isn't the worst thing someone can do, simply the other behaviour that often comes with it is. The chance for an individual to improve themselves isn't removed when they get banned from the server, it just simply is or isn't going to happen off the server, it isn't anyone's right that they get access to LotC and it is pretty deserved if you go against what should be common sense core community values you lose access to said community. Imagine trying to play a DnD campaign and some guy is whispering in the DMs ear about what should be changed about the game so it benefits him, then him approaching you and the other players about how you should roleplay YOUR characters, not for any legitimate reason like discussing story beat ideas to keep cohesion when the moment comes, but navigating you purely OOCly to maintain control over the game and thus the story without any regard to your thoughts, feelings or enjoyment of the game. It has no place in any roleplaying community.  

Assuming the Cowboys have been breaking rules, then gather whatever info you can and make sure it is properly reported, even if you think it leads to nothing. I know at least a couple of players would be banned if people had reported their behaviour but they haven't because people for various reasons don't report it, however, I also know some cases where bans have been given because a report was made. On that other note, my biggest worry when the whole topic of metaplay was brought into existence was that nothing was going to happen with it, however, it has consistently been reinforced since August last year, and I think genuinely pushing the server towards a better direction, while I do agree with some of the criticism I also disagree with how it seems like they need to push out a perfect system before it can even be implemented. When I came back to the server, about 5 months before even the metaplay post got made, I was in a group and a player got meta rallied against, I had no beneficial reason to help said player as it could have been determinantal to my position in the group, but I did anyway by giving him information so he could report it. My thought process was simple, it was a shit thing to put someone through and it is not the kind of behaviour I would tolerate from anyone I want to hang out with, breaking and bending the rules when it best suits them. Under the new metaplay rules if that happened and I'd remained silent during it I think a ban would have been justified and therein lies my problem, I didn't need the metaplay rules to exist to make a decent decision, because that is all the metaplay rules are really simple principles that should be standard for any RP medium.

I as a player told myself I would maintain a standard as best I could at all times, and do whatever I can to foster a decent overall community. What it ultimately comes down to is intention, if you aren't discussing because you enjoy the RP or trying to come up with cool ideas, but basically trying to dominate another player/group it has no place here.

 

This is NOT cute or wholesome. Minecraft roleplayers ONLY post like this when they are SEVERELY DISTRESSED.

 

This server is so boring, there's so little actually going on in game or in roleplay that I guess it makes sense to have these OOC struggle sessions. 

[Cally 1080]

2 hours ago, Ninjay said:

 

No need to be overly unkind; even if he has made mistakes, Larry is still a good soul in the eyes of myself and many others.

Spoiler

no need to be a suck-up to larry either when he's done wrong.

not the point at all. 

 

the vinovians and all that have done plenty of bad-faith things in the name of a better narrative that just simply isnt true. and I've no doubt that whitelist applications had been written by him and pancho, and being caught? another instance that could have been avoided. (though i admit i know nothing about specific scenarios, i just know the way he's conducted in the past.)

 

it isn't to say I dislike the guy, it'd be more to point out a stupid choice, and at that; i dont entirely agree that metaplay is always harmful either. and the mods have created a dumb dumb insert of more work for themselves and a million more headaches. especially when their team isnt paid, and is strictly volunteer based until administration. I'd quit if I were them.

 

also no one was happy about hogo, bye hogo. thanks for nothing.

[Haseroth 1740]

who wants to play modded minecraft with me

[Venomous_Pup 2978]

14 minutes ago, monkeypoacher said:

This is NOT cute or wholesome. Minecraft roleplayers ONLY post like this when they are SEVERELY DISTRESSED.

 

This server is so boring, there's so little actually going on in game or in roleplay that I guess it makes sense to have these OOC struggle sessions. 

Yeah, nothing big happens in RP when you have bad actors in positions that eliminate Roleplay by way of running around Discord rather than sending like letters, envoys or w/e to deal with what ever situation is happening because they want to protect their bubble from any and all disruption.