The State of LOTC

[Morigung-oog 5697]

5 hours ago, Pancho said:

Given that the recent history of haelunor has been all but ignored, I doubt this. You're a friend Mori, but this felt OOC.

It’s alright. A lot of rp went into it for months (even before I got NL). I don’t have screenshots- only the assurance that it did occur icly with plenty of justification. I’m sorry you feel that way though.

 

I could probably explain in far more detail as to why hnor entered the war  but I don’t think this thread is the place for that. 

[MadOne 4945]

Its not that crazy that nations who spend years trying to build a culture are wary of accepting people that will refuse to be a part of that culture, described as a “narrow mould”. If we just take anyone and everyone, it would be tantamount to a VRCHAT room with no aesthetic direction whatsoever. Cultures need to be relatively homogeneous for obvious reasons. I feel like this kind of mentality is a modern, cosmopolitan one whereas we are trying to be depict a vaguely medieval fantasy here. Imagine if Witcher towns had random demons and dragons and humans and swamp monsters living all in one town kumbaya style. It would not be a witcher town. Imagine if Whiterun had a gazillion argonians khajits and orcs living with no distinction from the nords, it would not be a nordic hold. Imagine if The Kingdom of Franks had no Franks. It would not be Frankia. When you join a community, whether it be orcs or haelunor or burgundy or church, there is an implicit agrement that you are trying to be a part of that community and not exist within it as a separate entity. (This can be pulled tastefully if it has narrative coherence, for example the relationship between welves and kha)

 

think about it, you go to Urguan and you do not play a dwarf, and do not subcribe to their culture. How do you expect to be welcomed and intergrate when you are choosing explicitly to be the antithesis to what they are trying to build? It seems to me that some of the people in this thread just want a wishy washy all-be welcome motley baldurs gate dnd towns, as if a nation is some roadside tavern. This is a writing project and writing projects should be coherent not only on an individual but an institutional basis. 

[juliaINC 592]

11 hours ago, ValleyOfLavender said:

I said this to someone earlier, and thought it may also apply to this. 

 

Honestly, I think one of the biggest issues right now is how toxic the roleplay environment has become in so many places. Today, I went into Haelun’or just to see if I could maybe become a resident, just looking for a place to feel welcome and settled. I wasn’t even there five minutes before my character was being called names, simply because I had been part of another nation for a few months. And I’m not exaggerating when I say it had me in tears. It was humiliating, and it genuinely hurt.
 

It’s things like that that make the server feel less and less like a safe or enjoyable space. And it’s not just one place. Look at the Church, for example, if you’re not human, if you’re not into religious or cultural RP, or if you just don’t want to engage in that style, you’re often met with disdain, exclusion, or outright racism. Not too long ago, stepping into one of their vassals as an elf could get your ears cut off, and you'd be spat on. That kind of environment doesn’t feel immersive or edgy, it feels hostile.
 

RP is supposed to be a creative outlet, a place where people come together to tell stories and connect. But lately, it feels like if you’re not already part of the “in group” or if you don’t fit into a very narrow mold, you’re either ignored, mocked, or pushed out. It’s exhausting. So many of us are just looking for a community where we can exist and create without being attacked or belittled.
 

All of this just makes it harder to find joy in the server. I miss when RP felt open and collaborative, where you could actually build something with others without fear of being judged, excluded, or attacked. A lot of us are clinging to the few positive people and moments left, but it’s becoming more and more difficult when the overall atmosphere is this toxic.

 

The key element of this story, also as affirmed by Morigung, is the fact that all of these hostile interactions happened in roleplay. This server allows hostile interactions, such as verbal violence, to happen in roleplay. Someone's character being subjected to such violence in roleplay, as a result of in-roleplay events, cultural influences, biases and superstitions of the violent parties involved is in no way wrong, and should not feel hurtful to the person who's character is subject to it. 

That is because of something that should be obvious to everyone who wants to participate in this server - your character is a separate idenity from you. You are not this character, you are the writer of this character. When your character is met with hostility, it is other people writing parts of your shared story, not discriminating or hating on the you behind the screen. 
Characters can be disrespectful, mean, evil, they may want to hurt your character and their feelings. That is how a dynamic roleplay setting works.

Especially since we are trying to keep the roleplay reminiscent of a medieval setting. In such a setting there will be close-mindedness and bias.

Without conflict this server would be motionless tea sipping, hair braiding, flower picking roleplay. To some it may sound ideal, to most it doesn't. You deal with it or you don't, it's up to you to decide, not the rest to accomodate to.

Edited April 11, 2025 by juliaINC

[Solour 526]

11 hours ago, ValleyOfLavender said:

 And I’m not exaggerating when I say it had me in tears. It was humiliating, and it genuinely hurt.
 

 

 

 take a break dawg😭

[Samson Option 9652]

2 hours ago, juliaINC said:

 

The key element of this story, also as affirmed by Morigung, is the fact that all of these hostile interactions happened in roleplay. This server allows hostile interactions, such as verbal violence, to happen in roleplay. Someone's character being subjected to such violence in roleplay, as a result of in-roleplay events, cultural influences, biases and superstitions of the violent parties involved is in no way wrong, and should not feel hurtful to the person who's character is subject to it. 

That is because of something that should be obvious to everyone who wants to participate in this server - your character is a separate idenity from you. You are not this character, you are the writer of this character. When your character is met with hostility, it is other people writing parts of your shared story, not discriminating or hating on the you behind the screen. 
Characters can be disrespectful, mean, evil, they may want to hurt your character and their feelings. That is how a dynamic roleplay setting works.

Especially since we are trying to keep the roleplay reminiscent of a medieval setting. In such a setting there will be close-mindedness and bias.

Without conflict this server would be motionless tea sipping, hair braiding, flower picking roleplay. To some it may sound ideal, to most it doesn't. You deal with it or you don't, it's up to you to decide, not the rest to accomodate to.

 

[MrMojoMordor 2413]

On 4/10/2025 at 12:00 PM, marikandaperc said:

koyo kuni is literally a human owynist nation?

krugistan has had canonist relations?

hnor NL is a canonist elf?

caurost has also had canonist relations?

 

On 4/10/2025 at 5:41 PM, Unwillingly said:

caurost = canonist influence in leadership and also has owed an explicit debt to the church for a while due to roleplay. they probably would not exist if not for the church which is where that debt comes from

cnor = literally had a military alliance with haense?

hnor = see moris comment

krugmar = were hired as mercenaries, they offered themselves to haense but haense said no or something. also war is good for places who struggle with activity

koyokuni = canonist human nation with explicit loyalty to the church

urguan = don't know but they were probably just asked in rp to help (equally valid) 

 

also the fact that norland is even on there shows u should not have an opinion on this subject

Jesus Christ, everyone's canonist now?! Well i stand corrected, when the **** did that happen? 
Over-time pay for canonist preaching must be godly.

[ReveredOwl 5639]

idk why people are complaining about a church conspiracy, there had been years where the church has had no relevant at all, politically, the church is only as strong and relevant as the Canonist nations allows it to be

[bumblefina 2766]

crazy to make a state of the server post when you've been on the server for one year

[Haseroth 1740]

1 hour ago, bumblefina said:

crazy to make a state of the server post when you've been on the server for one year

Eh, i dont think someone is too new to offer insight on their experiences and what they have enjoyed or not. But i also think a lot of what has been complained about is entirely in roleplay and should just be dealt as thus.

I will remind people that there was a time when being an elf in a human nation was considered really difficult. Because at any point, people could organize and just bash your skull in. I would advise everyone present to read about the crestfall massacre on the wiki.

We are in an pretty decent time by comparison when it comes to racial relations. Obviously you are never going to not SEE or FEEL something in regards to it all, but at the end of the day its just roleplay innit.

[tasty_cheesecake 2298]

being an elf in human society has never been impossible its abt cultural fit. if u look at the list of empire of man knights i’m on there as Maly’thill (yes i was an elf) or even in 5.0 phil became a saint as avenel (an elf). there are 2 elf cardinals in the church rn who did advocate for stopping the grail from clipping ears.

 

@MrMojoMordor

as for the allies i assembled basically i offered them literally anything over nothing, whereas haense took its alliances and relationships for granted n i guess just assumed people would not want to kill it this time. i bought off the orcs, i put inroads down w caurost my diplomats were able to use (to call in old favors), diplo was done w dwarves and norland and hnor after cnor involvement. koyo diplo was fraught but got done (i had to get beaten up by milk, but lectors r tsundere n they loved war bcs of hyspia beef). i even tried to get hyspia on our side thru granting them the title of kingdom, but then they changed NLs and the new NL swapped to haense. crazy that by giving ppl stuff or promises they agree to be your auxiliaries in war. 

Edited April 12, 2025 by tasty_cheesecake

[indiana105 5126]

16 minutes ago, tasty_cheesecake said:

being an elf in human society has never been impossible its abt cultural fit. if u look at the list of empire of man knights i’m on there as Maly’thill (yes i was an elf) or even in 5.0 phil became a saint as avenel (an elf). there are 2 elf cardinals in the church rn who did advocate for stopping the grail from clipping ears.

 

@MrMojoMordor

as for the allies i assembled basically i offered them literally anything over nothing, whereas haense took its alliances and relationships for granted n i guess just assumed people would not want to kill it this time. i bought off the orcs, i put inroads down w caurost my diplomats were able to use (to call in old favors), diplo was done w dwarves and norland and hnor after cnor involvement. koyo diplo was fraught but got done (i had to get beaten up by milk, but lectors r tsundere n they loved war bcs of hyspia beef). i even tried to get hyspia on our side thru granting them the title of kingdom, but then they changed NLs and the new NL swapped to haense. crazy that by giving ppl stuff or promises they agree to be your auxiliaries in war. 

 

perfidious urguanites were brainstorming on google docs how to irply justify turning against haense a year ago

 

ur not galaxy brained u benefitted from many months of sergisala's hard work. please thank him next time instead of taking credit

[MrMojoMordor 2413]

1 hour ago, tasty_cheesecake said:

as for the allies i assembled basically i offered them literally anything over nothing, whereas haense took its alliances and relationships for granted n i guess just assumed people would not want to kill it this time. i bought off the orcs, i put inroads down w caurost my diplomats were able to use (to call in old favors), diplo was done w dwarves and norland and hnor after cnor involvement. koyo diplo was fraught but got done (i had to get beaten up by milk, but lectors r tsundere n they loved war bcs of hyspia beef). i even tried to get hyspia on our side thru granting them the title of kingdom, but then they changed NLs and the new NL swapped to haense. crazy that by giving ppl stuff or promises they agree to be your auxiliaries in war.

👍sick - ty for the explination.