The State of LOTC

[_Elrith_ 4525]

10 hours ago, LoxyTheReindeer said:

We've had two megawars between the exact same people on either side, and more than 10 nations erased off the face of the map. All within the span of a year. More nations are dying than can be raised up, and more unique ideas and builds and communities are being erased by the day. All for the sake of an empire that more than half of the server doesn't want nor believe in. We're a high fantasy server with lots of unique races to play and magics to obtain, yet 90% of the nation's available are canonist and human, which persecute these other races. This isn't okay; it isn't sustainable.

If we don't exaggerate, there are currently(or will be) four primary human realms within the next month or so: The Kingdom of Burgundy, the High Kingdom of Norland, the Apostolic Kingdom of Númendil, & The Koyo-Kuni Shogunate. One of these realms is explicitly not Canonist, already dropping this arbitrary 90% to 75%. Only one of these realms(Burgundy) is extremely Canonist in nature, with the other two being Canonist(Númendil & Koyo-Kuni) but much more relaxed than the formerly mentioned. I cannot say for certain, as I do not have much relation with the players of Koyo-Kuni, but Númendil is most certainly welcoming when it comes to their relations with different races. Thus, this metric now at least falls to 50%. I wouldn't even say Burgundy or Koyo-Kuni persecute other races either, considering both accommodate for a variety of vassals & players. This feels downright disingenuous & you likely are an outlier. Though, I think it would be great if Burgundy was a realm openly hostile to other races. It would add an interesting dynamic to the server that is currently non-existent.

It feels like you haven't made a real attempt to explore a lot of the server's different realms & cultures, nor even communicate with many of its players. I will not speak for how other groups may act, but surely they cannot all be as hostile & impossible to work with as stated. If you want to talk more personably & not through the forums, you can always message me Discord.

[MrMojoMordor 2413]

Honeslty - only thing i hate on the server is world wars.
Can we stop having world wars? I understand that it comes down to military pacts & stuff but sometimes it get's a bit silly.

please stop being a hypocrit on your hardcore canonists who un-ears elves & beats atheist children to turn around & ally with non-canonists every time.
"oH BuT mY cHaRaCtEr wOuLd dO tHaT" stfu, It's cowardly 🔫
You want homies to help, let them play their human character - i know everyone has one.
 

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Otherwise i welcome the Empire RP - i think the server has show it's grown up enough from last time i saw one, to not have it turn into an absoloute shitshow OOC.
 

[marikandaperc 1817]

40 minutes ago, MrMojoMordor said:

Honeslty - only thing i hate on the server is world wars.
Can we stop having world wars? I understand that it comes down to military pacts & stuff but sometimes it get's a bit silly.

please stop being a hypocrit on your hardcore canonists who un-ears elves & beats atheist children to turn around & ally with non-canonists every time.
"oH BuT mY cHaRaCtEr wOuLd dO tHaT" stfu, It's cowardly 🔫
You want homies to help, let them play their human character - i know everyone has one.
 

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Otherwise i welcome the Empire RP - i think the server has show it's grown up enough from last time i saw one, to not have it turn into an absoloute shitshow OOC.
 

koyo kuni is literally a human owynist nation?

krugistan has had canonist relations?

hnor NL is a canonist elf?

caurost has also had canonist relations?

[Haseroth 1740]

 

[HIGH_FIRE 5490]

What a lot of coping and seething.

 

Nothing Lasts Forever.

 

Enjoy the RP and nations you have and have had, they will fall and perhaps once more rise. We're on the verge of losing a Nation that I spent almost 3 years helping build and RPing in and I couldn't be stressing over it less. If you're worried or stressing over RP like that, please take a step back and consider how invested you've gotten over LOTC.

 

IF what is coming soon is unsustainable it will fall and something/some things will rise in its place, but that's part of the story and RP. Take part in it or something else and enjoy it for what it is. If you don't enjoy it then again, take a step back, there are other games and servers.

 

 

TLDR:
It's just a game don't stress

[Morigung-oog 5697]

2 hours ago, marikandaperc said:

koyo kuni is literally a human owynist nation?

krugistan has had canonist relations?

hnor NL is a canonist elf?

caurost has also had canonist relations?

 

Ty for the shoutout. :D

 

Yeah, V's canonist, but she's in the canonist closet bc she'd probably be chased out of hnor if she was found out :,)

 

For the sceptics I'll say that ICly we'd been conspiring for OOC months regarding the Hyperwar. It made sense for h'nor to join because its leader is currently canonist and it gave us a shot at destroying our longtime IC enemies in Celia'nor. It's also been great for reviving Haelun'or as a nation. It's definitely helped restore our presence and prove we're at least somewhat relevant as a nation. We're now smashing activity goals and had old and new players alike join our playerbase. 

 

Getting Haelun'or from idle nation to military nation has been incredibly fun and gratifying if somewhat difficult to shift the culture into something more OOCly and ICly progressive, though I like to think we're getting there. 

 

 

[NightcastorKitty 2779]

@Werew0lf Look at what you did again. Making your posts amazing with that format skills of yours, RPing with quality emotes and even having your normal character clever enough to get famous. 

 

Shame on you. Get back in your corner. 

[Nimbus_Strike 271]

15 hours ago, gremlockgremlin said:

I think lotc should walk away from Google translate rp all together

So true

[sergisala 3451]

9 hours ago, libertyybelle said:

this might be controversial, but as a prominent figure in haense when it fell, ive really enjoyed my roleplay since it happened regardless. of course it is sad, and i will always be a haense player, but i get to experience something new. im not 100% thrilled about the ooc aspects but for something i was so afraid of, it certainly was not bad.

 

i was also a steady orenian player for years before it fell, and i was devastated as well but ended up loving haense just as much if not more.

 

lotc is about change, nothing stays the same. oren was around for just as long if not longer than haense and that also was destroyed. it happens. nothing is immune to the cycle just like irl. 

 

if you are genuinely getting bothered by things that are happening, thats always a sign for me its time for me to take a hiatus. part of the fun of lotc is being apart of a bigger narrative that you are not always going to control and thats okay. sometimes its okay to be done for a few months and then come back - i personally am always better when i do.

100%, I completely agree! +1ed :)

[Navigator 4260]

7 hours ago, _Elrith_ said:

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The APOSTOLIC KINGDOM OF NUMENDIL with the APOSTOLIC KING & CARDINAL ANORHIL is probably not lax on canonism but go off?

[Unwillingly 18096]

8 hours ago, MrMojoMordor said:

Honeslty - only thing i hate on the server is world wars.
Can we stop having world wars? I understand that it comes down to military pacts & stuff but sometimes it get's a bit silly.

please stop being a hypocrit on your hardcore canonists who un-ears elves & beats atheist children to turn around & ally with non-canonists every time.
"oH BuT mY cHaRaCtEr wOuLd dO tHaT" stfu, It's cowardly
You want homies to help, let them play their human character - i know everyone has one.
 

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Otherwise i welcome the Empire RP - i think the server has show it's grown up enough from last time i saw one, to not have it turn into an absoloute shitshow OOC.
 

u keep sharing this meme like ur making a point and I know going forward ur just going to be like "it's just an epic meme bro why so mad xD" but pls stop

 

caurost = canonist influence in leadership and also has owed an explicit debt to the church for a while due to roleplay. they probably would not exist if not for the church which is where that debt comes from

cnor = literally had a military alliance with haense?

hnor = see moris comment

krugmar = were hired as mercenaries, they offered themselves to haense but haense said no or something. also war is good for places who struggle with activity

koyokuni = canonist human nation with explicit loyalty to the church

urguan = don't know but they were probably just asked in rp to help (equally valid) 

 

also the fact that norland is even on there shows u should not have an opinion on this subject

[_Elrith_ 4525]

1 hour ago, Navigator said:

The APOSTOLIC KINGDOM OF NUMENDIL with the APOSTOLIC KING & CARDINAL ANORHIL is probably not lax on canonism but go off?

It is like, very strange how right and wrong you are simultaneously, mainly because you just failed to read and understand the topic itself; nitpicked a single sentence.

 

>pontiff states

>canon men are killing elves and clipping ears

>cry

>numendil

>adunia church gang hear of this

>it stops

>?

 

You missed the entire narrative explaining that these Realms(Númendil in this case) are safe for non-humans and non-canonists to roam around in without worry. I will not go into the nuance of how real Owynism is in reality, an extreme ideology that is not practiced to its fullest extent by most of its participants. Hardcore Owynists kill elves daily, so relatively speaking, Númendil is relaxed.

[lemonke 6014]

2 hours ago, Unwillingly said:

canonist human nation with explicit loyalty to the church

Koyokuni is not a human nation nor canonist or Ownyst, like some say, by the way. Yeah, canonism is ONE of the religions, but it's not the main one they follow. But we have our own faith and several "kami." The reason we joined is not for faith but because we are mercenaries and had business IC against Hyspia, and the church side offered us a lot of good things, and Tasty's character, who is a lector, was/is friends with the old lectors of Koyo-Kuni.

 

So, we are not a human nation but an Oyashiman nation (which means every race as long as they are Oyashimen), and we are definitely not loyal to a church but to a code of honor IC. If the church were to ask us to become vassals, we would say no and defend ourselves. We had a lot of reasons to join, more than most. So, yeah. We did it for profit, probably LOL.

[The Tough Guy 4319]

1 hour ago, Unwillingly said:

 

urguan = don't know but they were probably just asked in rp to help (equally valid) 

 

haense and other nations tried to **** over urguan in the veletz war peace deal so we didnt like them

 

also dwarven word is extremely valuable so when our allies asked for aid we rallied and we also got a **** ton of moola

[LoxyTheReindeer 356]

jesus christ yall have a lot of opinions lmfao.

Before this gets any further, let me re-iterate something: I explicitly opened up this discussion because I knew other people felt the way I did and because I think it's a conversation worth having. If at the end of the day we're a minority or we're wrong, then fine. But being disrespectful to each other or invalidating how others feel because you haven't experienced it, is not the way to go about this conversation. And by all means, this is a conversation. And one that will likely go on for a long time. As long as everyone is open to actually listening and considering the other side, and not just scoffing and turning their head because it's not the same as their opinion, I do genuinely believe it could be a productive conversation. And that goes for everyone, not just people on one side or the other.

In any case, don't let the debate here get you too heated. It's just debate about a silly roleplay server at the end of the day. Yes, I feel it's important to have. No, I don't think it's worth getting angry over.