On Conflicts of Interest

[unlegiqDuck 324]

3 hours ago, _Sheylo_ said:

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God forbid a man sleep ;)

Also you forgot to underline the partial bit
I knew people were going to babyrage about my opinion regardless, such is the way of LOTC.

 

Why you so mad about it after a good nights rest though?

Edited May 26, 2025 by unlegiqDuck

[Pinks 353]

you can delete one

Five more will come, bring. him. back

[Narthok 10416]

I think what @Llirdid is fine. He's the tech admin and most of the techs can barely string an if statement together so he can't and shouldn't step down. His nation was imploding and he has an emotional investment in it so he tried to protect it. Literally every current active NL does this via discord. If you audited all NLs you would catch literally all of them doing what he did.

 

Actual nothing burger being turned into hysteria by drama mongers.

 

Is it cringe that he doesn't catch punishment for things other people are punished for? I guess? But welcome to lotc. People aren't equal and the chief code monkey gets special treatment that John Fleeper doesn't get.

 

Considering how much incredibly cringe drama mongering and evidence hoarding occurs behind closed doors in discord by the usual spiteful suspects. I have to say this is the least egregious admin behaviour ever. He didn't get outed for sex pestery, financial fraud, pex abuse etc. He literally just cared about his Minecraft nation just as much as the rest of LOTCers.

[monkeypoacher 8053]

1 hour ago, Narthok said:

If you audited all NLs you would catch literally all of them doing what he did.

 

This lol. There's nothing even particularly egregious about the screenshots, just two people OOCly hashing out  how OOC mechanics are supposed to work. We've only recently started calling this "metaplay" and issuing bans for it, even though everyone does it and it's basically mandatory if you want to keep your nation alive. If people don't like it then we should change the rules, not punish people for making perfectly rational decisions based on them.

[Daisy 9725]

Hey all, based on feedback we've revised the wording of the Staff Conduct updates. See the original post, it has been edited.

[megavoltar 1634]

Or just take responsibility

[kraltan raider 71]

absolutely sickening, i´ll be leaking this to the press

 

 

[Malta 2811]

15 hours ago, GMRO said:

ban yourself for three months with appeal and say no more about it

 

or get kicked off admin and say you're stepping down

i miss you jimmy

[Smmer 2441]

8 hours ago, Llir said:

Hey all, based on feedback we've revised the wording of the Staff Conduct updates. See the original post, it has been edited.

 

Forced Haitus & ban for 6 months due to you being an admin and leadership. 

Please go on break. 

[argonian 14254]

13 hours ago, Llir said:

Hey all, based on feedback we've revised the wording of the Staff Conduct updates. See the original post, it has been edited.

We are begging and pleading with you to please update the totally OOC and metaplay-demanding region/nation rules, which have literally no basis in RP and force interactions like yours to happen, and your response is "to what extent should we ensure only non-staff are forced to metaplay?"

 

Your ****-up was not that you wanted to understand the vague and IRPly unknowable outcomes of an RP deal - although I agree obviously that admins should avoid being (regent) NLs - it was that you preside over a ruleset that forced you to do that in the first place. The solution here is not to continue to force regular players to do that.

[JuliusAakerlund 2402]

I have outgrown this vicious cycle. I am Zen.

[SplitTheG 7740]

He who hath not metaplayed, cast the first comment.
 

14 hours ago, Narthok said:

I think what @Llirdid is fine. He's the tech admin and most of the techs can barely string an if statement together so he can't and shouldn't step down. His nation was imploding and he has an emotional investment in it so he tried to protect it. Literally every current active NL does this via discord. If you audited all NLs you would catch literally all of them doing what he did.

What Narthok said, if any of you had played during the 501warhead-Korvic era of Tech team recognizes how unstable the server was / how much of an improvement it has been on the tech side of things since then. Ostracizing our main technician for something that a majority of us in the comments have done, seems pretty one-sided / mob mentality. Also blaming a single admin, for decisions which require the entirety of admins (le metaplay ban) also seems unfair. I'd understand if it was an abuse of power i.e banning oppo, however that simply just isn't the case in this situation. 
 

[xepphir 353]

buying this to the gang, if you know you know

 

[Fluffy Horror 496]

So I am a brand new player and I have no idea who any of these people are or what's going on, so I'm fairly confident I can provide a relatively unbiased perspective, based on my experiences with other roleplays and LARP.

 

I do not think it matters terribly much if tech staff hold leadership. I do not think it matters terribly if mods hold leadership. While they have an impact on gameplay for sure, their OOC duties and powers have a more nebulous effect on RP. Sure, people can feel pressured because they're staff, and they can make unfair rulings- but that can always be dealt with further up the chain.

 

What I DO think is an egregious oversight is allowing ST members to hold leadership positions.

 

ST members explicitly have power over the story. They can create powerful PCs and use those PCs to influence nations and gain power for themselves. They can shower their favourites with events, ST items, cool plotlines. In my LARP games, owners and other managers can play, but the one role that is absolutely forbidden from doing so is the members of Plot, precisely for these reasons.

 

Rather than forbid mods and tech team members from holding leadership, forbid STs. They do not need to be nation leaders to do their job effectively.  They can create meaningful stories for people without being an NL.

 

I'm frankly confused as to why they're the exception, and not mods. An ST can influence the game more than a mod ever could.

[Travisty 1020]

1 hour ago, Fluffy Horror said:

So I am a brand new player and I have no idea who any of these people are or what's going on, so I'm fairly confident I can provide a relatively unbiased perspective, based on my experiences with other roleplays and LARP.

 

I do not think it matters terribly much if tech staff hold leadership. I do not think it matters terribly if mods hold leadership. While they have an impact on gameplay for sure, their OOC duties and powers have a more nebulous effect on RP. Sure, people can feel pressured because they're staff, and they can make unfair rulings- but that can always be dealt with further up the chain.

 

What I DO think is an egregious oversight is allowing ST members to hold leadership positions.

 

ST members explicitly have power over the story. They can create powerful PCs and use those PCs to influence nations and gain power for themselves. They can shower their favourites with events, ST items, cool plotlines. In my LARP games, owners and other managers can play, but the one role that is absolutely forbidden from doing so is the members of Plot, precisely for these reasons.

 

Rather than forbid mods and tech team members from holding leadership, forbid STs. They do not need to be nation leaders to do their job effectively.  They can create meaningful stories for people without being an NL.

 

I'm frankly confused as to why they're the exception, and not mods. An ST can influence the game more than a mod ever could.

 

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Though upper management (mods/admins) in NL positions at least is a bit debatable, if there’s some real assurance that any use of their position to leverage outcomes (no matter who it is) will be dealt with accordingly by higher ups then by all means. Fair point on tech team though, unless i’m just not privy to some tech team controversy they seem unproblematic for the most part. 🤔