On Conflicts of Interest

[Morigung-oog 5697]

I see..

 

My hiatus was/is something that I do feel bad about due to the timing. I did say I’d be back in a week or two. It was a tad irritating at the time for that to be ignored and the entire leadership group to be ignored.

 

Mistakes were made but it’s really big of you to step forward and admit. I hope lotc becomes more enjoyable for you now that the situations sorted. 
 

Ily buddy

[xo31 3997]

1 hour ago, iris1612 said:

 

Your opening words to Unwillingly are "I have an update/proposal I hope you'll be agreeable to so that we can just focus on the roleplay when determining an outcome." You made an entirely OOC proposal and you made it clear that your RP response to the negotiations would be dependent on Unwillingly's OOC answer to your proposal.

 

When Unwillingly says "I'd prefer to just navigate this irp" you reply with "I will not be able to clearly consider this in RP without an answer to the mechanical outcome."

You later attempt to guilt-trip Unwillingly by suggesting that if they does not consider your proposal, they will appear to be perceived as "wanting to **** over and destroy a community." 

It's completely audacious of you to tell me "I was just trying to gain clarity" when that's directly contradicted by the screenshots included in your own post. You were not "just trying to gain clarity." You were lobbying over discord for a specific, mechanical outcome that would have a benefit to your nation, and we all know that if a regular player did this they would be banned for metaplay in a heartbeat.

 Yeah honestly llir this one is arguing with you. Don't unban them

[Smmer 2441]

17 minutes ago, Bethinwonderland said:

It's more than one community that's left over the past 7-9 months. One thing is for certain though, the ball will keep rolling

 

Admins unable to make statements leading to further harassment of players caught in the Unnibear discourse, admins unwilling to grow a spine and opt to save face instead of doing what’s right. Llir being “vulnerable”

doesn’t make up for anything that’s been done as a result of decaying roots that’s been left to rot and wither because Telanir was pretty quick to intervene on 60th but where are they now, where are the only two people who can create actual change when the server has discontent for administration and has no faith in their actions. You’re just muddying the water so no one knows how deep it is. 

[JustMeMorgan 2066]

Everyone is so aggressive and angry in this, in my opinion guys you’ve seen an admin own up to something a lot of staff would blatantly deny. I think you all can be a bit more respectful with one another rather than slinging hatefulness at one another; you’re stressed about something and Llir isn’t the person to sling all this hate to, he didn’t just cook up this decision himself he would have had to communicate with other people too.

 

A lot of people are making it sound like this amendment is a massive change but it’s not a new rule, it really isn’t it’s been around for ages; all that has happened is more clarity on it. Llir wasn’t the NL but had to step into it, he was curious on the actual mechanical element of vassalising— this was not “yeah let’s make a post overnight with Numendil saying we vassalised” he spitballed mechanics and how it could work then went out and did the rp for the actual role play element.

 

vassalising is a confusing thing and causes a lot of upheaval, hell hnor players got so shook we made a last minute assembly with 2 hours to prep and that rp went on till way too late for me. 
 

Please let’s refrain from making this such a violent discussion, we do not need to pick and point and pinch. I’ve gotten quite bored of seeing every interaction with the staff backlash so sorely by the playerbase

[JJosey 1481]

free him.

[Smmer 2441]

27 minutes ago, JustMeMorgan said:

Everyone is so aggressive and angry in this, in my opinion guys you’ve seen an admin own up to something a lot of staff would blatantly deny. I think you all can be a bit more respectful with one another rather than slinging hatefulness at one another; you’re stressed about something and Llir isn’t the person to sling all this hate to, he didn’t just cook up this decision himself he would have had to communicate with other people too.

 

A lot of people are making it sound like this amendment is a massive change but it’s not a new rule, it really isn’t it’s been around for ages; all that has happened is more clarity on it. Llir wasn’t the NL but had to step into it, he was curious on the actual mechanical element of vassalising— this was not “yeah let’s make a post overnight with Numendil saying we vassalised” he spitballed mechanics and how it could work then went out and did the rp for the actual role play element.

 

vassalising is a confusing thing and causes a lot of upheaval, hell hnor players got so shook we made a last minute assembly with 2 hours to prep and that rp went on till way too late for me. 
 

Please let’s refrain from making this such a violent discussion, we do not need to pick and point and pinch. I’ve gotten quite bored of seeing every interaction with the staff backlash so sorely by the playerbase

As a wise man once told me in vc

*Looks into the camera 

[Laeonathan 5891]

1 hour ago, Bethinwonderland said:

It's more than one community that's left over the past 7-9 months. One thing is for certain though, the ball will keep rolling

if entire communities left, why is the playercount still that high despite new map having been announced already?

 

also which community quit entirely? i still see the hohkmat, vortice, vikela, hyspia, balian, haense, celianor and lurin players around

[Jentos 9425]

so does this mean ur gonna bring back snow elves

[Cheeseycereal 829]

I just woke up out of my bed can somebody pls actually explain it to me in smaller terms

[xo31 3997]

7 minutes ago, Cheeseycereal said:

I just woke up out of my bed can somebody pls actually explain it to me in smaller terms

So basically llir metaplayed but it's okay because he feels bad about it and he's stepping down from -checks paper- Roleplay 'leadership'

[Frisket 4539]

I agree with half the sentiment 

 

plz step down from admin and Roleplay leadership. I do not believe others should in fact be punished for the inability of one admin. Considering others have done what you’ve done and gotten banned for it. 
 

However you have some cojones to admit your mistakes. I guess that’s something.

[argonian 14254]

Can you now admit that NL/region rules are ******* ridiculous and finally get to changing them?

[marikandaperc 1818]

please senior tech admin who is responsible for 90% of the server functioning (albeit not very smoothly all the time) step down from your staff position so we, the angry players mob, might be happy!

[bickando 3967]

6 hours ago, Llir said:

Management & Moderation

Moderators and team managers (or similar positions) may not hold any position within the leadership of a realm.

how are mods supposed to play? surely this should say smth more like "they may not be realm leader or issue any rulings related to realms in which they play"...

 

being unable to be in leadership at all runs counter to the type of player that makes a good mod (active, communicative, and respected)

 

i promise u this will have no impact on bias itll just lead to more complex rule skirting

[Suzzie 866]

In the politest way possible, I feel this is a heavy handed kneejerk response.

Metaplay is metaplay, why don't we treat this on a case by case basis and not make a blanket ruling? Is it too difficult to flag down staff members and weed them out for metaplay at this level? 

Let me be clear, I understand the Realm leader rule. But other forms of "leadership"? That's a basic aspiration in roleplay, and I think it'll put a severe dent in the enjoyability of the server for your moderation team. They're still players at the end of the day, more so than Admins who hold even more responsibilities. 

 

I really urge that you revisit this and keep the Admin change but reconsider reverting to prior version of the Moderation NL rule. The whole team shouldn't be punished for the possibility of a "bad actor", punish any bad actor that comes along. 

 

**Also Tech team seems to be hit with the same bat,  I'm a bit unfamiliar with their game. But I'm fighting for you guys too.