Happy Pride Month!

[argonian 14254]

20 minutes ago, squakhawk said:

 

 

shouldve just stopped here and you would've gotten it but i watched it slip away into the sunken place right from your fingertips

 

 

im also beyond shocked youve "never seen this happen" im surprised youve seen anything happen

That's over a thousand hours lol and it only counts the last few years.

 

But go on, if it's happened in the last two weeks since I was last online, tell me all about it! I'm sure I missed the 20 page forum thread it would've caused. Should be easy to find it for me.

[Navigator 4260]

8 hours ago, Vikenz said:

 

People are too parasocial with their characters and use this game to escape from reality

People are too parasocial with their characters and bring their bigotry to the server and it causes it to be banned from RP to avoid the people being parasocial about their insecurities, sexuality and gender identity from being witchhunted for existing.

 

The same case you're pointing fingers at queer people can be pointed at the guys who have some kind of inclination to always, exclusively roleplay a certain kind of character (a bigot). A parallel can be drawn to real life just as well as it can be drawn from the person who always plays gay fantasy race mage.

[Unwillingly 18097]

22 minutes ago, Ramon said:

ok but have there been actual examples of homosexual characters being hunted down with the perpetrators going unpunished in recent memory? (if at all??)

This conversation was brought back into circulation after being dead for a year or so specifically because people were making RP lists of gay characters and were telling them to go to camps for therapy

[Franczhiz 4437]

31 minutes ago, Ramon said:

ok but have there been actual examples of homosexual characters being hunted down with the perpetrators going unpunished in recent memory? (if at all??)

 

Its just another example of using fake scenarios, which never happened recently, to fit their narrative, in my opinion. It's not like they are the victims of some kind of mineman genoc*de. Sure I can believe that in the past there may have been some canonist-nationalist larpers on and about hunting down people who go against church teaching but to take it all to heart and say you are hurt by it IRL just means you can't distinguish irp from reality. Most of the people who identify themselves as homosexual literally live in a democracy where you can be whatever you want and then whine about not being accepted in society. (There are soldiers fighting for their freedom dying and they cry about being hurt in a pixel game, see how pathetic it is)?

[ReveredOwl 5639]

50 minutes ago, squakhawk said:

 

 

shouldve just stopped here and you would've gotten it but i watched it slip away into the sunken place right from your fingertips

 

 

im also beyond shocked youve "never seen this happen" im surprised youve seen anything happen

Why are you responding to troll someone but not responding to actual, genuine questions??

Also if, as someone said before, somebody transitions and changes their name, wouldn't it be metagaming to call them this new name, would you get banned for transphobia if you didn't call them this new name or would you get banned for metagaming for calling them this new name, either way it seems an easy way to get someone you dislike banned

[bickando 3967]

if we're doing this, can there be some way for gay or lesbian characters to have trueborn kids?

 

"noble blood" and bloodline/family tree management is integral to human rp, and currently there's no way for such couples to have kids, which would, in the interest of protecting a prestigious house's bloodline, force a disinheritance. someone mentioned this earlier but i think it got drowned out.

 

can u make a magic or a ritual or smth that allows this pls

 

im p sure the argument for rp homophobia has always historically been the above (altho somehow this thread the argument seems to be precedent which is silly considering the server is full of ******* neanderthals that spawn random cultures at will with 0 ingame continuity)

[Ramon 5186]

5 minutes ago, Unwillingly said:

This conversation was brought back into circulation after being dead for a year or so specifically because people were making RP lists of gay characters and were telling them to go to camps for therapy

I'm not familiar with any of this but this is actually a reply that answers my question somewhat so thank u. (though its still a far cry from people saying ppl want to go on witch hunts and put homosexuals on literal pyres as some people have been pretending has been happening for some reason). wasnt this kind of stuff already a bannable offense anyways though? feels like the people responsible for it, if clearly guilty, should've just been banned and that been the end of it

[Jihnyny 5233]

does this mean every character accepts same-sex relationships and non-binary characters and can no longer say anything about it?
what do we mean by homophobia? is my character unable to feel any ill toward homosexuality, or are they unable to express it?

i've had around 2-3 homophobic characters and the rp that came out of it was enjoyable because it always brought an interesting dynamic when it came to doing religious RP or simply friendships. (I also dont want to catch a ban on homophobia so please explain this)

 

[AstriaS 4988]

With hammers. Happy Pride everyone <3

[Evonpire 2014]

 

 

Huh!

Spoiler

 

(Personally in support of this, I am quite literally queer, this just my reaction to reading alot of this thread!)

 

 

[Jentos 9422]

1 hour ago, Franczhiz said:

 

Its just another example of using fake scenarios, which never happened recently, to fit their narrative, in my opinion. It's not like they are the victims of some kind of mineman genoc*de. Sure I can believe that in the past there may have been some canonist-nationalist larpers on and about hunting down people who go against church teaching but to take it all to heart and say you are hurt by it IRL just means you can't distinguish irp from reality. Most of the people who identify themselves as homosexual literally live in a democracy where you can be whatever you want and then whine about not being accepted in society. (There are soldiers fighting for their freedom dying and they cry about being hurt in a pixel game, see how pathetic it is)?

I mean, you are quite literally playing the victim of some great oppression for not being able to oppress others in a pixel game "wahh wahh they banned homophobia they hate me they hate me!!!" bro no one is coming after you or me (I am raised Catholic), and no one has anything against you. There's no point in drawing artificial lines between "us and them" because the point of this rule is to allow people's identities to coexist, in a time of increasing international political polarization. 

 

As of your point about fake scenarios I watched in Axios how a group of players grabbed and lynched a guy they claimed was homosexual in the middle of a city (oldheads will remember the johannesburg lynchings). Sure, I'd say it doesent happen anymore but that certainly doesen't mean it won't happen again.

 

So here's my proposition to you: If there is no homophobia on the server, then what difference does it make that it is banned?

 

It seems like a non-issue to anyone who wouldn't directly benefit from homophobia, bigotry, or racism in the first place. What we do see however are people who believe that they're going to be persecuted because homophobia is banned on a pixel game while people are starving and fighting for survival in the real world. 

 

What I can get behind is some clarifications on the rules so that no one is baited into getting banned for saying the wrong thing. Same thing with current IG cultures and religions that might have sentiments against certain identities, which might be able to make some agreements with staff. 

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@Ramonyou, you... Literally just proved my point. You just said it's lame to assume that everyone who is raising concerns is acting in bad faith, that I can't assume everyone complaining is doing so because of real world prejudices... And then you bring up that you're a Christian and against LGBTQIA+ people in real life and don't want to be forced to roleplay something that you believe is morally wrong, thus proving that all of you own arguments are, indeed, in bad faith.

 

You cannot argue that you're against this for roleplay reasons when the reality is you're against it IRL.

 

Once again, the most vocal detractors turn out to just be defending their personal biases.

[xo31 3979]

1 hour ago, Franczhiz said:

Its just another example of using fake scenarios, which never happened recently, to fit their narrative, in my opinion. It's not like they are the victims of some kind of mineman genoc*de. Sure I can believe that in the past there may have been some canonist-nationalist larpers on and about hunting down people who go against church teaching but to take it all to heart and say you are hurt by it IRL just means you can't distinguish irp from reality. Most of the people who identify themselves as homosexual literally live in a democracy where you can be whatever you want and then whine about not being accepted in society. (There are soldiers fighting for their freedom dying and they cry about being hurt in a pixel game, see how pathetic it is)?

Holy **** this is hilarious you checked off like every bit of the bingo here 

[Solour 526]

Just now, Fluffy Horror said:

@Ramonyou, you... Literally just proved my point. You just said it's lame to assume that everyone who is raising concerns is acting in bad faith, that I can't assume everyone complaining is doing so because of real world prejudices... And then you bring up that you're a Christian and against LGBTQIA+ people in real life and don't want to be forced to roleplay something that you believe is morally wrong, thus proving that all of you own arguments are, indeed, in bad faith.

 

You cannot argue that you're against this for roleplay reasons when the reality is you're against it IRL.

 

Once again, the most vocal detractors turn out to just be defending their personal biases.

is this not what you are also doing? you want thing because you are thing irl? have you not also seen those in that community also voicing opposition for this rule change, as they see the restriction in player agency as a bad thing? 

[Navigator 4260]

2 minutes ago, Solour said:

is this not what you are also doing? you want thing because you are thing irl? have you not also seen those in that community also voicing opposition for this rule change, as they see the restriction in player agency as a bad thing? 

One core difference between wanting bigotry in rp because you're a bigot irl and wanting expression in rp because you're free to express irl

 

one of them can be a crime