Happy Pride Month!

[wowj 9747]

4 hours ago, Gaja said:

it is too hot here already but i have AC so it is okay my spirit is on fire but my mind is cold as ice

its all a mindset, you choose to believe you are cold so you no longer are hot

[gloriana 5]

25 minutes ago, Crevel said:

Some LGBT People: "Stop bringing your religion into the server, if you have to do that... it's a big problem."

Very Same People: *Playing characters that are self-inserts in regard to their sexuality and/or gender identity*

 

If you're going to tell other people to not play themselves, stop playing gay characters as a gay person, trans characters as a trans person, or whatever else. The double standards are unreal. People in general need to stop playing self-inserts. It doesn't matter who or what you are and identify with. You cannot in an intellectual honest way argue that your self-insert is better because it's part of your personal identity when so and so religion is also the part of the personal identity of religious players. You also can't argue that it's a case of bigotry because the amount of bigotry that some LGBT people have against religious people and/or "cishet" people in general is as distasteful as the nonsensical bigotry that some religious people have.

 

Either play your self-inserts without attacking other self-inserts or stop playing your own self-inserts. Play an orc or something.

 

would you play a gay or trans character? would you do so just to roleplay getting treated prejudicially? would it be fun for you?

[Asutto 2452]

congratulations to scrolling all the way to page 19!!!

 

 

have a kit kat (and no, I still don't know what side is winning)

[Crevel 7557]

21 minutes ago, gloriana said:

 

would you play a gay or trans character? would you do so just to roleplay getting treated prejudicially? would it be fun for you?

 

No. I don't engage in romance roleplay at all, straight or otherwise, because I don't find enjoyment from it and I think it's weird. All RP wives I've had for the sake of having children were NPCs. As a straight man, all my characters are effectively asexual and aromantic which is not what I am in real life. That being said, I don't mind being treated prejudicially in roleplay because I understand that this is a fantasy server and not real life. I hope that answers your question. 

[Jihnyny 5233]

21 minutes ago, gloriana said:

 

would you play a gay or trans character? would you do so just to roleplay getting treated prejudicially? would it be fun for you?

im an orc player, im automatically prejucidiced against irp ✊

[Generi 621]

 

I stopped playing LotC after getting tired of the hatred and toxicity, but this is such a massive step in the right direction, and one I never could have thought would happen. I've faced so much homophobia, transphobia, and racism in and out of character on this server, so this is so so so nice to see. Thank you <3

 

Also ha ha L love all the bigots outing themselves on the post saying bigotry isn't allowed 

[_Sheylo_ 1177]

We've arrived
Because we stuck together
Champions one and all

We're all in this together
Once we know
That we are
We're all stars
And we see that

We're all in this together

[Destructokeith 1142]

Chat are you seeing this? (This being 280 replys)

[ScreamingDingo 20568]

So close to the removal of romance roleplay.
 

It’s almost a true victory.

[argonian 14254]

One thing I want to clarify because there's a lot of talk about religion OOC and Canonism IRP:

 

There is no tenet in Canonism or anything in the Scrolls that is anti-homosexual. The only issue Canonists can have with it is that, without same-sex marriage, such relationships would be fornication. And there have been debates going back to like 2020 about whether or not the Church should permit same-sex marriage. Viros as High Pontiff brought it up once in like, idk 2020, 2021, after a character raised a thread discussing the topic. The main issue was not that the religion prohibited same-sex marriage, but that until that point all marriages (including all those listed in the Scrolls) were between opposite-sexes. People with nothing to do with religious RP might not understand why this is a problem - but if you're claiming to be the vessel by which divine truth has been preserved for millennia, you lose credibility when you say "oh woops, we were wrong about x for the last 2,000 years".

 

At the time Viros proposed introducing a kind of non-marital blessing for same-sex couplings (based on a real blessing given in the early Church IRL), to get around this issue. I voted in favour of this, actually, because it made sense in the context of RP (Canonism clearly having nothing against romantic or other kinds of love between members of the same-sex, and as for anything further - we shouldn't get any hint of that IRP anyway, per cybering rules), but it fizzled out without any formal vote-taking (happened in Disc).

 

Then, a few years later, this issuse reared its head again IRP, and the Church issued an encyclical permitting Canonst Kings to allow for civil unions between same-sex couples. This is different to a sacramental blessing as was proposed by Viros, but the Canonist Church doesn't approve of sin, so the Canonist Church tolerating such civil unions was an endorsement of the fact that they weren't inherently sinful. The fact that the Church didn't offer to acknowledge them was again the idea that this didn't correspond to the Canonist conception of marriage, but again, there is nothing in the Holy Scrolls or dogma to speak against such couples (except that having sex outside of marriage, gay or straight, is unkosher).

 

So there's this issue of "how do we permit same-sex marriages when it's never been done before? Aren't we meant to be the guardians of tradition?". Well yes, it is an issue. It was an issue for female priests too, and we tried to get around it by allowing nuns to take on more and more priestly duties, until Kevin Boby finally pulled the band-aid off and let them become priests (perhaps to win e-girl favour in the face of an upcoming schism war). His decision was a roaring success and occurred with very little controversy, although I do think priests are 99% men to this day (they just aren't interested!). The reason I bring up this tangent is because female priesthood was another issue where nothing in Scripture or Church dogma prevented the change from happening, but where the fact of change itself was a threat to the Church's identity. Because how can you claim to be legitimate preservers of the truth if you were wrong for 1,000 years? Luckily most players have short memories, and don't understand how religion is supoosed to work, so that gambit paid off. Similarly, the Canonist Church would survive same-sex marriage without a hitch.

 

So, despite being Canonism's #1 shill, perceived harm to Canonism is not why I think this rule and its overly broad application is dumb. Canonism will do just fine and will survive past all of your e-retard careers. It's been around in some form since Aegis and Viros and Cracker future-proofed it since then. Don't bring your latent e-elf retarded seething Canonism hate into this. Cheers.

[Nord 346]

Let's go gays! Another gay W

[PCSwift 1422]

I don't often like talking about this subject, and very few people know my sexual orientation, besides my closest friends. 

 

The reason for this is simply, it does not matter. It does not matter what I prefer in the sheets, or prefer to look at. It doesn't matter to strangers on the internet, nor should it matter to my friends. Continuously talking about this just further alienates people in the middle, like me, who are just after a good time. Despite qualifying as 'LGBTQ', this conversation always makes me extremely uncomfortable, as we are playing characters in a Minecraft roleplay game, not real life.

 

This forum posting bullshit is just further proof that Josh and his folly of an admin team are unfit to take their position as serving the community. One simple post, talking about a holiday (Pride Month) created by corporate conglomerates (YES, REALLY LOL), was used to further his agenda by pitting us against each other. We all, together, play Minecraft roleplay. Some of us self-insert, and they should accept the risks of that. I do not play this server to play a gay elf, and the server shouldn't protect me because my gay elf got offended (Really, I got offended because I self insert and can't divorce myself from my character LOL)

 

Homophobia in roleplay is stupid as ****, and anyone who does it typically is distasteful. High Elves are the only nation I can think of that had something against gay marriage, and that rule was removed recently anyways. This topic is just shitty virtue signaling so Josh can look good, and any LGBTQ person falling for this is a ******* corporate tool, with no critical thinking skills.

[Mallow 243]

[Rig 17580]

Only here to post to help get this thread to 300 replies.

 

[ReveredOwl 5639]

26 minutes ago, argonian said:

 

I think if people want the Canonist church to perform sacraments for same sex marriage, they should go about bringing this change through rp, the same way female priesthood was and not force this change oocly