The White Ravens

[Corndoggeh 9]

(( its not cancelled, its revoked until we let you know ICly about the war

[Aodran 12]

Mc name- bov61

Ic name- Olaf Stormdweller

Do you have a villain application- No

What will you contribute to the guild- I can help protect the towns.

Do you agree to follow and obey the rules?- Yes

What previous Experience do you have?- I was a personal bodyguard for a Dwarf named Fomsil

What have you done to promote the ideals of Aeriel?- I have stopped fights in the wilderness and told my fellow bodyguards about Aeriel. I will also attempt stop any robberies or fights I see

Once in the guild, what branch will you belong to?- Light Infantry ((I'm fairly good with PVP))

What is your level in the skill the branch uses (for merchants write N/A) - 22 swordsmanship and 15 Bow skills.

Have you signed our charter?- No

I cannot accept you before we have reformed the ravens. You'll just have to wait.

[nppeck 601]

((btw, I'm going to speak to native about getting some minas back.))

[xFrozt 14]

((Barias and Cethis, please do not comments in the forums if you have no relationship with the ravens. Only comment if it's necessary/replying to peoples question. (focusing more on Cethis not you Barias.) ))

EDIT: ((How did you get Melataron to suicide? Don't you need a VA for that?))

[Corndoggeh 9]

((Barias and Cethis, please do not comments in the forums if you have no relationship with the ravens. Only comment if it's necessary/replying to peoples question. (focusing more on Cethis not you Barias.) ))

EDIT: ((How did you get Melataron to suicide? Don't you need a VA for that?))

(( he commited suicide by choice. it was a self permanent kill

[Tempir Amedaius 12]

Who will be the new arch-bishop while Aodran is the temporary magistrate?

[nppeck 601]

We will again take nominations for arch bishop.

((furthermore, I will be taking down our information page as we are currently undergoing heavy reform

[Ogedi 50]

((One does not steal the guilds funds with out a villian app, or pretend to be authorized to make war claims. smells like a ban report.))

[xFrozt 14]

((Keep the lore and the other information.))

[Tempir Amedaius 12]

I'd say only the bishops for the arch bishop position. Or we can also do the council again.

I say Aodran has the right to promote anyone he wants. As he is the temporary magistrate for now.

[Corndoggeh 9]

((One does not steal the guilds funds with out a villian app, or pretend to be authorized to make war claims. smells like a ban report.))

(( This is a collaboration between DecoLamb (Who is not directly involved in the guild so she will not post) and I

(( Barias was put in charge. OWNERSHIP, which includes funds, major choice making, and the land itself, belongs to him until stated otherwise by the original owner. When nppeck's character died, nppeck gave both IC and OOCly all OWNERSHIP of the city of Aliquam Purus transfered to barias (This is including the rights to the region). Meaning you have no say over it anymore, ic or ooc. There's this thing, it's called indian giving, you're trying to do it right now, just an FYI. When you buy a car from someone, that car is now under your ownership. The original owner cannot come in and say what you can and cannot do to said car. Example: you wish to paint the car you bought, it's your choice. NOT the original owner.

The war is a valid point as in RP when Rekenara was in the city, Syrila was willing to go to war with the Ravens and the entire city of Aliquam, Barias had brought Rekenara to Syrila and Barias, in that process had done surgery in order to save her life from infections. They had become good friends after this incident and Syrila had vowed that if Barias was to be removed from power or assassinated, she would come to level the city. Aswell in a time of war Aliquam would be able to call upon Syrila and her allies incase the city was to be attacked or if the Ravens were to attack another faction. And just that has happened, Barias has been removed from power and his family's life threatened, which gives a more than valid reason for Syrila to come and destroy the city.

Also I have been seeing more than more people from the Ravens and the city who have been bringing more and more OOC into this war. I will not name names out of respect. You are trying to stop this war through OOC means when I know I have a perfectly valid in character reason to attempt to attack you as do my allies. You need to remember that this is a roleplay server and that you need to do things in character. If you want to stop me, the war threats have already been made in character, but try and stop me through in character means; stop going around saying that I cant do this and that because I can, and I am.

Long story short: Sometimes you just have to take the loss, that is character development, which is a vital asset in all roleplay communities. And if you choose not further develop your character, all you are doing is causing stagnation, and stagnation kills roleplay, which ruins the fun for the broad spectrum of the server. If you defeat me, go ahead, I will be happy to take the loss, my character will move forward for it. It may be that I will try to destroy you another way or that I may give up, that is dynamic roleplay and that is what everything this server is about; creating stories where you don't know what happens next, stories that never end, stories that are always changing, gaining new and more exciting chapters. Stories that define LOTC in it's glorious entirety.

Now I ask you, are you really going to stop something that could completely redefine the guild, and give your characters a life-changing experience? Are you really jsut going to run the same old rut until you burn a ring in the ground? Or are you going to actually PLAY the ROLE of a guild about to be attacked by a massive force?

Give me your best shot Ravens, show me everything you have, and show the SERVER what you have.

EDIT:

Since the War has been withdrawn, I think that we should form a close alliance to the towns, cities and guilds who were planning to help us out in such a short matter. By meaning close alliance, I mean by helping them in war situations or whatsoever. Since they are willing to help us, I guarantee that we can do the same and set an example of what true loyal ship is.

(( This comes from DecoLamb as she just noticed this aswell as me.

(( You had no clue about this in character as the warclaim was made OOCly, it was not until just 10 minutes ago that you were told in character of the coming war. And that is only if you were present or if someone had come to you and told you about Syrila coming proclaiming the war.

That is a prime example of Metagaming, which I extremely detest. It greatly irritates me that the majority of you have been pulling A LOT of OOC information and issues into IC. I expected so much more from the ravens, and frankly, what you have shown me these past few days, disgusts and upsets me to the point where I can do nothing but shake my head every time I hit F5.

The White Ravens, in my honest opinion, have declined to such a degree that I wonder if you really care to roleplay outside your own guild. The town was almost always empty, and I'm around every single day in the afternoon, I'm here during a large part of the high time for the American group, and I catch a good snip of the European player base's high time.

The characters do not move forward often, and when they do, it's laughable at best. The quality of rp the Ravens produced when I first came across them impressed me to the point where I would skulk around as Decora behind the base or near their hotspots just to read and watch what was happening. Now, even when I'm in the thick of it, there is really only anything intresting when I force direct stimulation with my own characters. Cursed six year children revived from the nether that can fight just as well as a veteran warrior, capable of taking down a fully grown adult male orc? Not to mention the elf who can slip out of the grip of a full elbow lock hold from behind by someone who has been trained to fight and IS a veteran.

Or how about when said elf managed to stab said character in the side when his arms were pinned behind his back. THEN claim meta when we try to run you down after pulling away from the group and then laughing, but refusing to answer why. I mean it could have been the simplest of coverups 'I just remembered something funny is all' whcih is much less suspicious then jsut saying 'nothing, and walking off.' People who listen to conversations through two block thick walls made of stone, or trots up to listen to someone whisper.

I could go on, I really could, but I have a jungle to chop down and ocelots to breed like rabbits. Now hurry up and put your big boy pants on, because Deco's coming for you, and coming with an army of kitties.

[Ragnar'Trurlock 36]

((Guys regarding the application for joining, add some new stuff for example, a biography about your character 2 paragraphs minimum, some Role play questions like lets say "You see a bandit robbing a old man what do you do?", Does you character fight? What are his main skills mining, farming swordsmanship? Explain why you want to be in the guild, explain why you want to belong to the branch you picked? Ok there are some things the application should have, the app is way to easy and you guys are getting bad people to join. If i were you i wouldnt accept bov61 application until the application itself is improved.))

[Ogedi 50]

((False. You were never overseer or magistrate. Only i can assign those posistions. He gave you power to expand the land and HOLD thr funds. Is nppeck the owner? No. Is he the leader? No. Are you? No. Am i? Yes.

Who can accept war claims? Only me, and now aodran.

Who needs a va for stealing guild funds? You do. Dont worry ive got moderator confirmation for all this.

Who revoked your war claim? Mogroka))

[Corndoggeh 9]

(( added an edit to origiginal post

[Ogedi 50]

((point is, you were never owner or leader, nppeck was overseer nothing more. Unless your the magistrate you cant accept a claim.))