Return Of The Undead & Ascended?

[Sagwort 833]

I am not saying this to sound ignorant, nor to sound like the Ascended and Undead players are self-centered, although I do find it odd that most of the Ascended and Undead want to come back, while a good number of other players do not? Just putting that out there……

[Blundermore 2741]

It was our rp Sagwort, let me just put it out there. We had to give it up because members of the public moaned and whinned about it. I don't see any other races or groups being taken out because other people don't like them.

What of the high elves?

What of House Flay?

Etc...

Are they to be removed as well because people don't like them or their rp which sometimes goes beyond the point of powergaming and lore breaking (more high elves than house flay).

Oh no, of course not, people can whine as much as they want about them but it won't change anything.

I see it as the players that are a little self centered that we were forced to kill off what makes our characters... OUR characters. That because they didn't like our RP they just complained about it. It isn't just the fact that we killed off the only two groups that seemingly provide more RP past just getting items and land mass, but we also killed off two groups of players, with their own indepth RP.

You may call us self centered sagwort for wanting our RP back, but if I was to remove all of your magic and your guild and just say "nope, you caused too much harm to the server and people are complaining" you would be a little peeved off your self would you not? You would feel robbed of your role play and that a great concept was completely destroyed. Well, that is how we feel, and it DID happen to us compared to you just imagining it. If that vivid image has caused a lot of ill feeling alone, imagine what it must feel like if it did happen? It sucks doesn't it? It feels like a punch to the stomach that doesn't settle... It feels like that all that you could have done with your mages guild is now gone and can't come back because the player base doesn't want you.

That is how we feel, so before you call us self centered, perhaps you should think how we feel after being robbed of our RP by the player base.

[Sagwort 833]

Did I call you self-centered? I specifically remember making the statement “I am not saying this to make the Ascended and Undead seem self-centered”

I did not make that statement to down grade the Ascended or the Undead, frankly I do not care if they come back or not. All I am saying is that the decision should not be made by the Ascended and Undead, it should be made by the rest of the players. Of course the Ascended and Undead are the ones who are going to WANT to come back as that is human nature.

[Lym 849]

I am not saying this to sound ignorant, nor to sound like the Ascended and Undead players are self-centered, although I do find it odd that most of the Ascended and Undead want to come back, while a good number of other players do not? Just putting that out there……

Who voted for: I would like it if the Undead returned as well as the Ascended

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Players marked in red: Ascended or Undead players

[Dalek348 1962]

I have to say Blunder that you have summed up my feelings very well. That's part of the reason I have hardly played this server since we were removed. I had so much fun playing my old character Fyrste and a lot of time and effort went into his development. Not to mention the fun I had with all my Undead friends and Ascended foes. Just imagine that your entire reasoning for still playing the server was taken away from you, all that fun and all those friends and all those plans and lore you had taken away from you due to a few people who simply could not take losing and thus complained about your existence, demanding that you be removed from their server lives.

Yeah, you'd want that back, wouldn't you?

e: I don't want to seem as though I'm doing the old 'woe is me' act, just responding to comments in this thread. It just reminded me of all the good times I had.

[Sagwort 833]

I stand corrected, long live the Ascended and Undead.

My only comment is, do the Undead plan to turn every city they come across into a volcano and force us to leave yet another place such as Asulon?

[Aerinyes 402]

Ummm as for the High Elves, they are being removed because players simply don't like them. For some reason the vast player base see them as WRONG (god forbid elves act like elves!) and want them removed and will push their RP in such ways to remove them. The constant raids and warclaims on them is evidence of that.

I'm sorry Blundermore, but that arguement holds little weight. When you put in a villain application, you knew first hand that you were giving up regular RP and such to make sacrifices for everyone else. There's no way you didn't realize that playing Undead was going to be a permanent thing.

Cataris made a good point. After a while, people just ignored the undead. This was before the GMs had to take drastic actions. They had to force the player base to fear them by destroying Oren and Alras with godmodded events.

That didn't spark the 'great RP experience' that they thought it would. We simply ignored it in Laurelin. Basically saying, "why bother? If they are going to destroy us, it will happen, oh well... if not great." It loses the suspense when you have no control or effect on the situation.

And without god mode, how could they (undead or great evil) possibly threaten the nations? They'd need the best RPers and players to play them right? They are not going to get all of them since players are already established and wouldn't want to move. So their numbers will be very few. One warclaim that involves multiple nations ends the threat.

Have to figure out where they are coming from? That will be figured out in about a day from random explorers. Word spreads fast in LotC. Even when its not meta'gamed. 5 days later, a warclaim happens and poofs them. Yay we all go back home and go back to fighting each other again.

The only way this could work is if its more subtle and they get their hands around certain positions. And this doesn't need to be a GM sponsored group to do this. I've said that before, and no one wanted to take up my challenge on that.

No one in the playerbase has the stones to make an organization that could be ran by the players instead of undead/bloodmages. I've given that challenge before, no one accepted it. Well the gauntlet is thrown yet again. If the players can't take the challenge then the idea of a great evil shouldn't be done, since you just won't have the playerbase to fill it. The fact that the players are unwilling to even try should be a red flag.

Well prove me wrong players, lets see what you got?

[K33MST4R 219]

Ummm as for the High Elves, they are being removed because players simply don't like them. For some reason the vast player base see them as WRONG (god forbid elves act like elves!) and want them removed and will push their RP in such ways to remove them. The constant raids and warclaims on them is evidence of that.

I'm sorry Blundermore, but that arguement holds little weight. When you put in a villain application, you knew first hand that you were giving up regular RP and such to make sacrifices for everyone else. There's no way you didn't realize that playing Undead was going to be a permanent thing.

Cataris made a good point. After a while, people just ignored the undead. This was before the GMs had to take drastic actions. They had to force the player base to fear them by destroying Oren and Alras with godmodded events.

That didn't spark the 'great RP experience' that they thought it would. We simply ignored it in Laurelin. Basically saying, "why bother? If they are going to destroy us, it will happen, oh well... if not great." It loses the suspense when you have no control or effect on the situation.

And without god mode, how could they (undead or great evil) possibly threaten the nations? They'd need the best RPers and players to play them right? They are not going to get all of them since players are already established and wouldn't want to move. So their numbers will be very few. One warclaim that involves multiple nations ends the threat.

Have to figure out where they are coming from? That will be figured out in about a day from random explorers. Word spreads fast in LotC. Even when its not meta'gamed. 5 days later, a warclaim happens and poofs them. Yay we all go back home and go back to fighting each other again.

The only way this could work is if its more subtle and they get their hands around certain positions. And this doesn't need to be a GM sponsored group to do this. I've said that before, and no one wanted to take up my challenge on that.

No one in the playerbase has the stones to make an organization that could be ran by the players instead of undead/bloodmages. I've given that challenge before, no one accepted it. Well the gauntlet is thrown yet again. If the players can't take the challenge then the idea of a great evil shouldn't be done, since you just won't have the playerbase to fill it. The fact that the players are unwilling to even try should be a red flag.

Well prove me wrong players, lets see what you got?

All the major RP roots have been set in order for the undead to return, however this could be RPed properly if the Undead do not make their presence known until they have strength in numbers, then and only then would they begin challenging nations.

What Asulon lacks in it's current state is major RP. We need events like we did in Aegis, and the Undead and Ascended provided that avenue. I was never a member of either faction, however I was a witness to the absolutely amazing RP that both sides provided. While I was spam lightned by some of the black sheep, I feel that the Undead and Ascended need to come back in order to revive a server that I and many others agree is dying. I have contemplated leaving many a time because RP for Mithas is scarce. Currently I'm grasping straws, looking for any scraps I can find, Mithas lived for wedging himself in between Ascended and Undead conflict, and so did many others. I was an aspiring undead, but I discarded the plans to simply sit back and watch the conflict that both sides created.

What should be taken from my rant is that Undead and Ascended should be implemented once again in order to sustain the RP of a dying server

*EDIT* And I think Sagwort knows what I mean by spam lightning :D

[Sagwort 833]

Why do people think this server is dying? We are not dying, we are if anything at our prime. We have an amazing new map with teams working diligently on things such as magic that people have been waiting for. If we were all really the amazing rpers that LOTC is, we would not need the ascended and undead just to make rp.

I am aware that a number of popular people are leaving which gives this server the illusion of dying, but for every person lost about ten new players make up for them. Not all new players are noobs, I am sure from the mass of new players, new gms, new fm, and new amazing rpers shall arise.

[Lym 849]

I'm sorry Blundermore, but that arguement holds little weight. When you put in a villain application, you knew first hand that you were giving up regular RP and such to make sacrifices for everyone else. There's no way you didn't realize that playing Undead was going to be a permanent thing.

In response:

There was no way to win the last events. Undead had no chance. [and it was supposed to be unscripted ;)]

Have to figure out where they are coming from?

Rebuild Undead Nation in Nether, create exactly one Portal. Said portal leads to a hidden chamber in the Monk Sanctuary which is only accessable by Undeads. Voilá.

Don't worry about Undead keeps and cities, we will find a way, always ^_^

[K33MST4R 219]

Why do people think this server is dying? We are not dying, we are if anything at our prime. We have an amazing new map with teams working diligently on things such as magic that people have been waiting for. If we were all really the amazing rpers that LOTC is, we would not need the ascended and undead just to make rp.

I am aware that a number of popular people are leaving which gives this server the illusion of dying, but for every person lost about ten new players make up for them. Not all new players are noobs, I am sure from the mass of new players, new gms, new fm, and new amazing rpers shall arise.

RP is scarce, and conflict is not present beside grade C bandits giving the typical "Minas or Die" approach. The server is dying, everyone is retreating to their corners of the map, holing themselves up not to lose imaginary items and position. The player base is too spread out, undead will unite it once again

[Blundermore 2741]

It is all well and good to throw the guantlet around and claim all this stuff but everyone says "we need a new group" yet no one can commit to it really, some say they can... some say they will. But I have yet to see anything come out of these groups and parties.

Whilst here you have a group that already knows the lore, already knows the ropes, already knows how everything works.

[Sairia 11]

The Ascended and undead sacrificed a lot for the server. The remaining ascended live in hiding, not saying what they truly are still, out of fear since we are still actively hunted like cattle. This being said, I still opt that both of us coming back would be fun and interesting. Not to mention me and several other leaders of the undead/ascended have talked in pm's saying what we should do to improve, to make the rp's more enjoyable. That we needed the co-operation and conversations ooc'ly amongst the two races. Face it majority of people here came onto the server partly because of the Ascended/Undead conflict. And in the end LoTC is synonymous for the entire undead/ascended conflict.

And to be fair the Ascended still do exist. There are still Iblees groups rising. Hell one Iblees group being run by the Oracle of the undead... So it only makes sense to bring the 2 races back in full.

[Coconuta 141]

In response:

There was no way to win the last events. Undead had no chance. [and it was supposed to be unscripted ;)]

Rebuild Undead Nation in Nether, create exactly one Portal. Said portal leads to a hidden chamber in the Monk Sanctuary which is only accessable by Undeads. Voilá.

Don't worry about Undead keeps and cities, we will find a way, always ^_^

One thing I would like to point out about this thing is, using Lym's quote, the event was said to be unscripted... and if it was unscripted, then when the axe was "Thrown into the Nexus to destroy the nether" the undead would of actually won, as said axe was thrown into the wrong building...

Maybe the undead wanted, to not be hunted any more, to recoup their strength in the nether for attacks a lot more powerful, or things along those lines... their are tons of ways to RP their survival.

And another thing I want to point out is

"Iblees is trapped in Aegis"

If Iblees is trapped in Aegis, then the undead could easily just make a portal to Aegis bringing him into the nether

People are saying their's no way to bring the undead back in RP, when their are tons, the undead are "Trapped in the nether" yet the undead can create "Portals to Aegis" anyway, if they just spent a while creating a portal, wouldn't they be able to bring Iblees to the nether, and use him to fix the broken lands?

If the undead managed to bring Iblees to the nether, and the oracle of the undead still survives, wouldn't the Oracle be able to create a portal back to the now fixed and undead-filled Nether, able to enter Asulon.

When the undead where in Aegis, and their was the UNK / Undead Northen Keep, All of the remaining north soldier's where trying to find a way to assault the keep, before the undead would take over the north and be able to advance further south, to put it this way... around six people, and one fortress managed to bring tons of RP and fun to the server, as well as an area to find role-play, which the server seems to be needing now, due to lots of people having quit.

By bringing area's to RP, and fun area's, players will come back and more new players will come, as their will be more fun and role-play to be done, instead of role-play being done in selected friendship groups, and spread out thin.

Edit: Nevermind, I had been told that Iblees was trapped in Aegis ._.

[Blundermore 2741]

Iblees is trapped in the void, where he was to begin with the second time this conflict has happened. What we have done is only delayed the finaly, the only way we are going to win is to put iblees down once and for all, or else... he will just keep coming back again... and again... and again...