Return Of The Undead & Ascended?

[Miquill 188]

I don't really like it, there's not really like something wrong with it I was just thinking of other things, and think that would turn out weird.

EDIT: Also when will this be said already, are we waiting for Tiger to get back from vacation or something?

[Aryon 679]

If I seem to remember correctly, Lym told me that Goldrim threw the axe in the wrong pit, thus; not actually sealing the Undead in the Nether. I'll get a bit more information though.

[ErcMan013 13]

After reading all of this, going back through old memories of Ageis and my new characters recent past, I have thought of a lot of opinions. I had joined the server after a request from a friend, I think his character and mine were brothers, been too long. Well the dwarfs had just changed their capital to be a bit more outside and we had decided to head off into the wilds. We passed a fort and settled on a Gravel beach. Stuff happened, I got two friends to join, the guy who got me to join slowly quit playing(I have got him to play more lately) and it just moved on. I made a whole bunch of rp for my character and so forth. Well, about two months after I joined, the Undead returned. They were pretty cool at first, I honestly cannot talk about the Ascended for I idn't ever meet one. As time went on, the problem got worst and worst, i had more and more fun, about the time the great ice storm hit(my way of explaining the biome change in 1.8 I don't know if there was any real rp behind it) They turned a bit bad. I knew and an undead IC and one other OOC-ly and talked to them both often (one, I am sad to say was Arteh). So I got to see the rp first hand. It wasn't too bad. Blundermore mentions Gm's having to be the main people, is when it seamed to get bad. No offence, but the rp slowly got worst and worst. I started to notice one lining lightning. Okay well the point of this long story of my first characters back ground is my character never was really scared of Undead for he new one IC.

My new character who is 40 now was born 5 years after the boats docked, he is the son of my first character. I have spent many a weeks making Rp for him, I recently got some gloves made. For a bit i was brought into some rp I was told was accepted but later learn this was a lie. so I had spent a month Rp-ing some stuff for my character that was just basically thrown away.

What I am saying I guess is I understand ,kinda, what it is like to have to through away a good amount of Rp and I did Rp with some undead. I originally didn't want them back for the one lining of lightning, but since it seams it wasn't the undead to blame, I am not so sure, As I said before, I cannot speak on Ascended for I never met any Rp-ly. I am quite torn on the subject at this moment.

I was not there for the last event because I had to go to my fathers the weekend it happened, plus all the rp leading up to it lagged my computer, I was there right before the boats left. I do not know anything about these "Liches" so i have no opinion on them. That's all I have to say really.

[domainoft 191]

Because we have delayed the end, the final point, the last stand. Iblees is a cycle, he will keep coming back, again and again, and again... the only way to stop this is to find a way to KILL HIM, AND MAKE HIM STAY DEAD.

Closure, propper closure, that is why. The Aegis event was a complete and utter shambles and served no purpose. Only 8-9 people got to actually take part in the event and the rest just ran around screaming.

The Aegis event had no real purpose, clinging onto that and saying that we are being cheap by discounting that piece of cr*p they called the "final event of the undead" is cheap in its' own right.

Would be foolish thought. To give hope in such a form. Immortality is what it is.

[Blundermore 2741]

Anguels and Daemons can be killed if they're lured into mortal form. Such as the wandering wizard. It is possible to kill Iblees.

[Αμφίονας 41]

The truth is I had joined became of the ascended - undead conflict.

But I also believe bloodmages are worth some more effort. You had walked one time in solace as a dread knight and there was some really good roleplay. And that is it I never heard of a bloodmage again.

Can not you find five or ten people to roleplay them? Not powerful mages but even minions or underlings which will never get some kind of magic or be overpowered.

The only epic thing that I ever experienced in the server was the expedition to Karic.

In the end I had one of the most badarse deaths from the dragon.( it lagged like hell but it was epic)

I am both in favor of the undead (with some modifications) and the bloodmages but not so much for the Liches cause they are not this well thought out.

I really do not care in the end what the hell happens. I would just like to roleplay in an epic story.

[Ivran 137]

You all mis-understood what I said. If the Undead came back, it would ruin the ENTIRE point of the Aegis fight. They just come popping out of a portal like, "Yo yo yo, I'm undead!", that's not interesting. We need a new enemy. The Lich could be that. Or, something else? Anything but the Undead. Them coming back would be completely cheap, I mean, we want more Nation conflict, correct? Then if the Undead pop in, then everyone will join forces again to "destroy" them.

Plus, if they did come back, anyone who is still alive that used to be Ascended would HAVE to come back, because the Ascended blood would kick in.

[Blundermore 2741]

The Aegis event was a shambles Ivran. Only the champions got to take part in it, it was a PVP fest with hardly any RP that no one got to take part in that even in lore DID NOT WORK. We failed in that event, it went into the wrong hole. The nether wasn't destroyed. Nothing HAS changed. Your defending a crap event that gave no fun to anyone but about eightish so people. Also, the litches are NOT a new evil, they are the same thing that was a one time event. I'm all for new evils but a new evil has to at least TRY to be different to the old evil. The litches ARE the same thing. They're not even staying around, they were a one time event and Mogs, THE ONE WHO ORGANISED IT AND RUNS THE LITCHES, said it was A ONE TIME THING. I have said this now countless times.

[the GOAT of the craft 606]

You all mis-understood what I said. If the Undead came back, it would ruin the ENTIRE point of the Aegis fight. They just come popping out of a portal like, "Yo yo yo, I'm undead!", that's not interesting. We need a new enemy. The Lich could be that. Or, something else? Anything but the Undead. Them coming back would be completely cheap, I mean, we want more Nation conflict, correct? Then if the Undead pop in, then everyone will join forces again to "destroy" them.

Plus, if they did come back, anyone who is still alive that used to be Ascended would HAVE to come back, because the Ascended blood would kick in.

It wouldn't ruin anything. I imagine the Undead wouldn't come back in full force. They'd possibly have very small battles whilst they're regaining power. They would poison crop fields and offer unfortunate travelers as sacrifice to Iblees. I don't see any real RP reason for the remaining Ascended to care about that. It seems like a series of killings has gone on, which happens every day in LOTC. They wouldn't have a reason to use their magic, since they can't use it at the moment anyway. I don't know the exact details of lore for the Aengul blood, but I assume it doesn't just come back once the Undead power reaches a certain point. That would have to grow at the same rate the Undead's power is growing. Then a Nether Portal turns up and you know the rest.

The RP towards the end of Aegis was some of the best I've ever participated in. Nations were at war and on top of that the Undead were striking. I remember when the Humans and Dwarves marched on the Orcs and at that point the Undead attacked Galahar. Those few seconds in which they had to decide whether to aid Galahar or not was what I applied for. Many Humans, Dwarves and Orcs died that day. Some to the Undead and some to each other.

The Ascended would not HAVE to come back if they did not want to. They could quite easily turn down that responsibility. The blood would still be there, but it would not matter. If they didn't want to be an Ascended they would not have to be one.

If this has an actual story behind it then it would work remarkably well. As long as the Undead and Ascended aren't brought back with full power then I see no reason why this wouldn't work. The reason that, I personally, fell in love with the Undead and Ascended was not only because of the RP that they brought to the other races, but because of the inner RP of themselves. The Ascended had betrayal and eventually managed to make the rest of Aegis dislike them. It was bloody amazing. Everyone felt lost in RP, and I imagine a little lost in OOC.

I suppose my point of this long post was to say that this wouldn't ruin anything, it would only better it. I think it was Lymdil that said that the axe was thrown into the wrong place, so it actually makes valid RP sense. They might not even be weakened, they may just be biding their time. I'd still like to see them weakened though.

[Aryon 679]

Lym and Blunder and around the whole of the Undead say it was thrown Into the wrong pit. I think it was.

[Ivran 137]

You're obviously mistaken. I for one enjoyed watching the stream of the event. And if the Undead DID come back, the Ascended would HAVE to come back. Unless they're all dead, (Which I'm almost certain they're not.) And I'm not saying that the Undead CAN'T come back, I know they can, but what's the point? Why not just make a new evil, like the Lich?

And Blundermore, I know that Mog said that the Lich were only a one time event. That in no way says that they can NOT become the new evil. Just because someone says something, doesn't mean they can't change their mind.

Anywho, I'm out. This discussion is slightly boring.

[Miquill 188]

I'd say it is boring because we are repeatedly telling you that the Lich are a knock off and nothing more their lore is poop, even if the lore was made amazingly it would still not change the fact that they are a knockoff, and unoriginal.

[Aryon 679]

Liches = Knockoff the Undead

Stop knocking off the awesome concept, and just re-use it?

That right there is exactly what we are trying to get through.

[the GOAT of the craft 606]

You're obviously mistaken. I for one enjoyed watching the stream of the event. And if the Undead DID come back, the Ascended would HAVE to come back. Unless they're all dead, (Which I'm almost certain they're not.) And I'm not saying that the Undead CAN'T come back, I know they can, but what's the point? Why not just make a new evil, like the Lich?

And Blundermore, I know that Mog said that the Lich were only a one time event. That in no way says that they can NOT become the new evil. Just because someone says something, doesn't mean they can't change their mind.

Anywho, I'm out. This discussion is slightly boring.

They do not have to return what so ever. The Ascended blood will re awaken, but they will not have to RP as an Ascended. As I said, the responsibility can simply be ignored. Forcing them to RP as the Ascended is breaking the rules and is just a bad thing to do.

What's the point? Well, why not? We have "beef" with the Undead. After all, they destroyed Aegis and took our home from us. I personally don't see the point in making Liches the "new Undead". Why not get them into an alliance with the Undead? All it must do is profit them. It would actually be quite nice if the Undead added more versions of Undead. The Blood Knights[?] had Dread Knights, Trolls and I think Ogres. The Undead can be expanded upon. It was, and still is, a pretty bare bones (heh) group.

The Liches were too generic IMO. Want to control the world? Pfft. Comic book style. I want deception and betrayal going on in the main groups around me. I want the world plunged into chaos and I want to actually fear Undead attacks. Every time I heard lightning in Aegis I was alert and ready for action. I ran away from it if I was defenseless or to it if I could help. I hear lightning now and think "Ugh, more fires?"

[Blundermore 2741]

I have already suggested to the undead to take my lore for the bloodmages and use that to expand the undead, because in the end it is my lore to do with how I see fit. Mogs might have ran it but I wrote every piece of lore there apart from two sub groups, the tribesmen and pirates.