Goodnight Sweet French

[Backup Lago 320]

In Elysium Kalos?

He was banned for, as a noble, trying to force two people into sex, and other rather off-color things.

 

I remember it fairly clearly, but I'm not prepared to trawl through two years of ban appeals just to be proven right.

 

All I can say is if these situations do upset you and you send them to the admins someone's going to end up warned or banned. And if these situations don't bother you, I don't get what point you're trying to make. "I'm not offended so nobody else ever should be" has never been a valid argument.

 

Simply put, a large portion of the community does not see being offended as justification to stop an action they are doing.

 

Words, not actions. Nobody's saying you can't kill or rob someone in character because they're offended.

 

If you do not like RPing with someone, then you need to resolve the issue in-character or find a way to walk away in-character as soon as possible.

 

Except when the player in question did that the other player tried to NoRP kill them and then got their ET friend to abuse their pex to TP them.

 

 

 

And now I feel the need to reiterate what the first post says. This thread is about Goldrim's rather passionate objection to this:

 

 

Trying to turn it into a discussion of use of profanity in RP in general is just going to cause confusion and arguments based around people arguing two completely separate things and lead to enough strawman to thatch a whole village.

 

If you want to argue about the use of potentially offensive language in general or making filters or stuff, make a new thread for it.

[TornadoWatch 364]

 

As for your second point, sensitivity to the feelings and needs of others is a basic human skill. No one's asking you bottlefeed anyone, just don't be an ******* and use words they've asked you not to just because you can.

 

 

Simply put:

 

Why should I change my roleplay simply because you don't like it?

 

Why can you not just walk away in character, or solve the issue -in character-?

 

Why should I have to consider your entirely subjective OOC feelings which I may or may not know before-hand?

 

Yes. You may be offended. But to me, and many others, that doesn't matter at all. It is the choice of the individual to be offended, and there is no need to censor on the basis that someone may or may not be feeling offended. If you happen to be offended, work it out by walking away IC or solving it IC. Not by trying to make others comply with your demands.

 

If we want to talk 'common courtesy', it's common courtesy to allow others to freely RP their characters as they wish, whether or not you're offended by it.

[Praetor 1550]

 

I'm not the one calling others dumb over opinions. I'm not the one insisting on my right to use offensive language on the grounds that the opinions that make me mad enough to call a person I don't know dumb don't actually matter.

In fact, what I'm doing is arguing on behalf of people who are affected by a lack of courtesy they shouldn't have to deal with, not even in trying to get people to understand the error of their ways.

The argument that people take RP too seriously is too often used as a fallback to state that a person feels inherently superior due to their aloof attitude and ability to attack others without feeling anything. I'll admit I don't understand it, so I won't attack it, just state that I really don't understand why the argument is ever considered valid.

 

Whatever baggage you have that causes you to act this way, I hope you overcome it and live a happy, fulfilling life.

 

 

Let's take a moment to consider the fact that, beneath this pseudo-altruistic post, you're being about as snotty as a four year old with a cold, so please don't try the holier than thou approach, it's about as innefective as your I'm a girl card.

 

And yes, people do take RP too seriously, I'm sorry if that offends you (not really) but its the case and it's not exactly a great thing to do. But it's ok, I don't understand the validity of your arguments either.

 

Thanks for the concern frendo, I will consult you if I am in need of psychological aid. I'm sure that you'll be able to point me towards the same person you went to for your case of 'vulgar word trauma'.

[monkeypoacher 8055]

I remember it fairly clearly, but I'm not prepared to trawl through two years of ban appeals just to be proven right.

 

All I can say is if these situations do upset you and you send them to the admins someone's going to end up warned or banned. And if these situations don't bother you, I don't get what point you're trying to make. "I'm not offended so nobody else ever should be" has never been a valid argument.

 

Except when the player in question did that the other player tried to NoRP kill them and then got their ET friend to abuse their pex to TP them.

 

 

And now I feel the need to reiterate what the first post says. This thread is about Goldrim's rather passionate objection to this:

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Trying to turn it into a discussion of use of profanity in RP in general is just going to cause confusion and arguments based around people arguing two completely separate things and lead to enough strawman to thatch a whole village.

 

If you want to argue about the use of potentially offensive language in general or making filters or stuff, make a new thread for it.

Okay then, mister backseat FM! I'm sorry, I thought the issue of "people getting offended by IC profanity" surely didn't have anything to do with "IC profanity" in general!

 

You straw-manned and ad-hommed JadeKadoa (or her BR) to counter my unrelated argument. Goldrim's objection was general, and you forced personal/specific things into it. You basically derailed my argument by forcing me to regard something I didn't/couldn't know (or care less) about.

 

You opened yourself up for irrelevant things, friendo.

 

^^^yonder is a jab! Do not open the tab if you fear the jab.

 

Otherwise, I'm going to make a thread about filters because it's a pearl out of the convoluted muck of my brain.

[Rig 17591]

we're seriously fighting to have the ability to call somebody a *****? how productive, i wont even waste good grammar here wow this is so damned dumb

ps: why not find a new word with more ic sense? create a new mean term! god damn! don't just pull 'em from the ooc. 

[Backup Lago 320]

^^^yonder is a jab! Do not open the tab if you fear the jab.

Wouldn't be right for me to fling jabs if I couldn't take 'em. :)

 

 

Yes. You may be offended. But to me, and many others, that doesn't matter at all. It is the choice of the individual to be offended, and there is no need to censor on the basis that someone may or may not be feeling offended. If you happen to be offended, work it out by walking away IC or solving it IC. Not by trying to make others comply with your demands.

 

Do you actually know anything about the situation that set this all off?

 

Because Jade did EVERYTHING you're saying she should have. She left. The guy (who was just trying to bait PvP by the look of it) proceeded to attempt a noRP kill. When she got away, he got his ET friend to TP him after her. And then, after she logged out, he had the gall to BR her.

And then, when Menarra so much as suggests that avoiding using a word in RP which you know upsets the person in question and has a whole dictionary of alternatives might just be the decent thing to do, this thread pops up.

[monkeypoacher 8055]

Do you actually know anything about the situation that set this all off?

 

Because Jade did EVERYTHING you're saying she should have. She left. The guy (who was just trying to bait PvP by the look of it) proceeded to attempt a noRP kill. When she got away, he got his ET friend to TP him after her. And then, after she logged out, he had the gall to BR her.

And then, when Menarra so much as suggests that avoiding using a word in RP which you know upsets the person in question and has a whole dictionary of alternatives might just be the decent thing to do, this thread pops up.

 

fierce christ this thread is literally just an argument for/against jadekadoa

 

nevermind, gonna go discuss everywhere

[Birdwhisperer 1174]

Simply put:

 

Why should I change my roleplay simply because you don't like it?

 

Why can you not just walk away in character, or solve the issue -in character-?

 

Why should I have to consider your entirely subjective OOC feelings which I may or may not know before-hand?

 

Yes. You may be offended. But to me, and many others, that doesn't matter at all. It is the choice of the individual to be offended, and there is no need to censor on the basis that someone may or may not be feeling offended. If you happen to be offended, work it out by walking away IC or solving it IC. Not by trying to make others comply with your demands.

 

If we want to talk 'common courtesy', it's common courtesy to allow others to freely RP their characters as they wish, whether or not you're offended by it.

If someone wishes to walk away IC, that's fine, so long as the other person doesn't pursue them and force them to continue the RP they're not comfortable with.

 

I play a frost witch. I understand that there are people on the server who will not enjoy or feel comfortable with that kind of RP. If I know an individual won't be comfortable with my RP, I'll avoid them, out of consideration for them and to bring less hassle onto myself. If they don't like my RP, and wish me to take it somewhere else, they're not preventing me from RPing my character as I wish. I can find other people to RP with who won't be uncomfortable. The same goes for vulgarity. If someone isn't comfortable with it, either dial it down, let them leave, or find someone else to RP with. It's very simple, and keeps everyone content.

 

Edit: Any more insulting posts and the thread will be locked. Calm it down people.

[Achilles 892]

I'm sorry but pulling the girl card just won't work. I've never throw a fit because someone called me a d i ck and I think every dude out there knows just how real theirs is. And if your 'rocky lands of the internet' are so perilous, maybe you should go back to monopoly.

 

As I said, if you're offended by it OOC, I don't care, go ahead and be offended. But being offended by it because Character A called your character a c unt means

 

a) You take RP way to seriously and OOC'ly and need to take a step back.

 

b) You're pretty damned dumb.

 

@Bird, I listened and laughed.

[TornadoWatch 364]

Do you actually know anything about the situation that set this all off?

 

Because Jade did EVERYTHING you're saying she should have. She left. The guy (who was just trying to bait PvP by the look of it) proceeded to attempt a noRP kill. When she got away, he got his ET friend to TP him after her. And then, after she logged out, he had the gall to BR her.

And then, when Menarra so much as suggests that avoiding using a word in RP which you know upsets the person in question and has a whole dictionary of alternatives might just be the decent thing to do, this thread pops up.

 

I know a good deal about it.

 

It's not a no-RP kill if you're walking away in MC.

 

I think this has been over multiple times.

[Backup Lago 320]

You straw-manned and ad-hommed JadeKadoa (or her BR) to counter my unrelated argument. Goldrim's objection was general, and you forced personal/specific things into it. You basically derailed my argument by forcing me to regard something I didn't/couldn't know (or care less) about.

 

Strawman? Arguable, but it's not an ad hominem.

 

As for the post being general? I took that screenshot of Menarra's quote from the first post itself. The first post is directly addressing Menarra. The first post is about Menarra's quote. You're the one arguing off topic here.

 

"forcing me to regard something I didn't/couldn't know (or care less) about."

If you don't care about it why are you posting in a thread dedicated to it?

[Backup Lago 320]

fierce christ this thread is literally just an argument for/against jadekadoa

 

nevermind, gonna go discuss everywhere

 

Of course it is. It was that from the first post, which quotes the BR.

 

I know a good deal about it.

 

It's not a no-RP kill if you're walking away in MC.

 

I think this has been over multiple times.

 

Running away from a PvP situation is run in MC die in MC. You can't PvP someone to death if you say something to them and they ignore you. You need at least an old Aegis-style "Stop or die" to trigger Run In MC Die In MC.

[Rael 935]

I'm sorry but pulling the girl card just won't work. I've never throw a fit because someone called me a d i ck and I think every dude out there knows just how real theirs is. And if your 'rocky lands of the internet' are so perilous, maybe you should go back to monopoly.

 

As I said, if you're offended by it OOC, I don't care, go ahead and be offended. But being offended by it because Character A called your character a c unt means

 

a) You take RP way to seriously and OOC'ly and need to take a step back.

 

b) You're pretty damned dumb.

 

@Bird, I listened and laughed.

Everything I was thinking about this thread was said by you when I scrolled down.

 

I don't think being a female really means you should take more insult to the word in question, just as a guy shouldn't be especially offended by the word d*ck.

 

I can certainly understand why someone is offended by an insult, as that is its function, yet to make such a big issue over it is really unnecessary.

[Backup Lago 320]

As I said, if you're offended by it OOC, I don't care, go ahead and be offended. But being offended by it because Character A called your character a c unt means

 

a) You take RP way to seriously and OOC'ly and need to take a step back.

 

b) You're pretty damned dumb.

 

Maybe they are taking things too seriously. Maybe them getting upset over something IC isn't the right thing to do. But if you know they're going to react badly and you do it anyway because "I have a right to..."

Well, it's that exact attitude that's caused all the problems of the last three years. If people stopped being dicks to each other OOC the server'd be a much happier place all around.

[Joe_Blackman 253]

Being insensitive is bad, don't be an obnoxious d-ick.

Being sensitive is also bad, don't be a whiny b-itch.

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