Heff 2460 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Literally the staff is incompetent if they believe they can still keep or "tweak" the VA system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaLulu 1783 Share Posted April 17, 2015 There is literally a problem and just because you're too blind to see it or are used to a sub par quality of RP per your clique is not the rest of the servers problem. Fact: GMs get around more than you. Fact: GMs can turn invisible. Fact: GMs can and will watch you. Fact: ET can turn invisible too! Fact: ET can and do watch roleplay to suss out new members! Fact: there is a problem with villain roleplay. I wholeheartedly believe this was part (but not the whole) of the issues plaguing the undead too: poor quality of roleplay server wide. Everyone who just says "rid" or "get rid" or whatever should not have their votes counted. You're not babies, I think you can make a complete sentence stating "Do _______". Read. The. Damn. Post. And stop just being salty mad, it doesn't get anything done. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jachnun 566 Share Posted April 17, 2015 501 answer this if we you your self said that the moderater team could not properly enforce the blacklist system what makes you think this system that is more complicated than the blacklist one. How could we trust you to actually do this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archbishop 1784 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Keep them. If players cannot be bothered to fill out an app as to why their char forfills those evil doings then those bad platypus' should not be able to perform villanous activities. Its not the staff being lazy its the players who complain. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
๖ۣۜ§osa (E.G.I.E.) 520 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's funny how many people are posting on a your view without reading the post in full. ALL the times the Staff f*cked up, I figured they knew what they were doing, and they were doing what they think was the best. But this decision? It's ridiculous, if they think they should keep VAs, they're obviously incompetent to lead a community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorFlam 3447 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Keep them. If players cannot be bothered to fill out an app as to why their char forfills those evil doings then those bad platypus' should not be able to perform villanous activities. Its not the staff being lazy its the players who complain. Adam..................................... I shouldn't need to fill out a ******* application to justify killing WHEN PROVOKED or being ordered to torture another villain for information or things along those lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
๖ۣۜ§osa (E.G.I.E.) 520 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's funny how many people are posting on a your view without reading the post in full. ALL the times the Staff f*cked up, I figured they knew what they were doing, and they were doing what they think was the best. But this decision? It's ridiculous, if they think they should keep VAs, they're obviously incompetent to lead a community. Deleting comments about our views won't make them go away lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
501warhead 1796 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 Adam..................................... I shouldn't need to fill out a ******* application to justify killing WHEN PROVOKED or being ordered to torture another villain for information or things along those lines. Don't personally attack people for opinions, thank you. Also if you had read the post you would know this was addressed. I want for players who wish to contribute to the discussion to understand why this was created in the first place. As such take the time out of your day to read the post, if not then I shall take opinions with a grain of salt. Deleting comments about our views won't make them go away lol I want to see reasoning. If I wanted to see a numbers game I would have made a poll, I want to see reasoning behind it and logical arguments not mindless number posting. If you don't contribute to the discussion your post will be hidden. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Respect 5471 Share Posted April 17, 2015 3, because I want that every orc can play a orc for instance, If you take the villainy away from orcs, what they will be? If you must apply to play a villain, does that means you must apply twice to play a orc now? This restricts roleplay completely. Three would give people a chance to prove their villainy prowess. I want that everyone can play their characters, remove the VAT, set roleplay free instead of restrict. I want to play my orc, and the va's stops me. "Hey dude, look at my application to application to kill peop... OH WAIT, IT WAS DENIED! I CAN'T PLAY A ORC NOW! The only exit is distributing flowers while i run with only a loincloth in a flower field with bunnies.." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space 2335 Share Posted April 17, 2015 PLATYPUS YOU PRET-- I'm sorry, sorry. Firstly, your post seems really condescending. I think it's very easy to blanket 'look at how these guys are acting, they didn't even read the post, I'm not reading /their/ post.' You can't. You don't need to read this post. You need to read the 1-4 reasoning thing. Or not even read it at all. Rollback to, lets say... 3 days ago. We don't need any intervention. There is no problem with villain roleplay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Fiend ~ 611 Share Posted April 17, 2015 People might be/have been more open to the idea if; The system implemented were not identical to the one used in the past. Evidence of the decline in the "quality" of villain RP were presented in tandem. Perhaps the biggest mistake was assuming everyone knew villain RP was declining. If, as you say, GMs collectively feel that way from all their snooping, they should at least be sensitive to the people who don't know/believe that and give them time to ease into the idea. If this is truly needed, it should be possible to convince people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harri 4815 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Either pick Number one or Number three. If you don't, I may have to strangle a platypus (See I actually read the thread). The reason people are so upset about the whole VA's is the fact that, rather than progressing role-play, it restricts just so much of it. Let's take a look at the lesser evils: Theft Pickpocketing Robbery Lockpicking Jailbreaking Murder with Provocation Conning/Cheating Corruption Slavery (selling) The majority of these are things that I should be able to do in my average normal RP daily life. Murder with provocation? As a St Amyas Orderman, it's my job to murder those that insult the Creator and resist being taking captive. I now can't do that, along with the rest of the Order (unless they get a VA). Jailbreaking/Lockpicking? What if I was caught by an enemy/villain and to break out of a prison cell? That's not villainy but still falls under the term 'Jailbreaking'. I'm the non-villain breaking from the villain's grasp, yet I'd still need a VA for it, as people /would/ just call 'No VA, you can't do that.' Corruption/ Conning/Cheating? So now I can't lie to people to get them to leave me alone, or possibly accept payment to leave someone else alone and stop doing my job as a Crusader/ Guard? Some of the greater evils I can accept could use moderation/ a VA: Such as Torture, Dark worship, Serious/Violent slavery and Murder without provocation, but the rest need to be worded differently. All the others are just mental illnesses, and whilst I get why you're doing it: To stop 'edgies' acting as some insane, split personality anime warrior, they're simple mental illnesses and can even be classified as a good thing. If you changed it to "Violent Physcopath/ Sociopath" "Violent Insanity" "Murderous split personality" then it'd make some more sense and be more reasonable. Whilst I /do/ appreciate that you are trying to improve role-play here and make sure there are good villains being played, the VA's will simply cause more problems than solving them. Majority of BR's that will go up will be: "Didn't have VA yet did something that needs a VA." and such, and it will happen /lots/, just causing more work for the GM team out there, when they could be off handling more pressing matters than silly VA BR's. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonian 14254 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It's funny how many people are posting on a your view without reading the post in full. Making a needlessly long post about how you can't moderate won't change our minds on whether VAs are bad or not. There is literally a problem and just because you're too blind to see it or are used to a sub par quality of RP per your clique is not the rest of the servers problem. Fact: GMs get around more than you. Fact: GMs can turn invisible. Fact: GMs can and will watch you. Fact: ET can turn invisible too! Fact: ET can and do watch roleplay to suss out new members! Fact: there is a problem with villain roleplay. I wholeheartedly believe this was part (but not the whole) of the issues plaguing the undead too: poor quality of roleplay server wide. Everyone who just says "rid" or "get rid" or whatever should not have their votes counted. You're not babies, I think you can make a complete sentence stating "Do _______". Read. The. Damn. Post. And stop just being salty mad, it doesn't get anything done. Fact: We see far more roleplay than GMs. If I'm wrong on this then that means they are spending way too much time watching RP and not near enough time moderating, which would explain quite a lot actually. Fact: Maybe the ET should stop doing that and actually be an EVENT team. Watching new players RP in /vanish isn't your job, Fact: Calling people names for disagreeing with you is incredibly childish and you may want to sit down and think who the real baby is here. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
501warhead 1796 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 PLATYPUS YOU PRET-- I'm sorry, sorry. Firstly, your post seems really condescending. I think it's very easy to blanket 'look at how these guys are acting, they didn't even read the post, I'm not reading /their/ post.' You can't. You don't need to read this post. You need to read the 1-4 reasoning thing. Or not even read it at all. Rollback to, lets say... 3 days ago. We don't need any intervention. There is no problem with villain roleplay. I'm sorry, I'm not angry or upset I did, however, hope for this to be a reasonable argument. Thank you for complying with my request however. I'm reading posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
osumanduas 1442 Share Posted April 17, 2015 We introduce a team for Villainy Moderation, small 5-7 team that handles blacklisting and monitoring poor villainy roleplay. This solution is one that would be interesting and remove the need for applications from the start. 1. Seems like a good compromise between the community and the Staff We, instead of having a complex application needed to gain villainy, instead have a simple waver that declares you as someone who does villainy roleplay. This waver states that you understand the rules, understand what happens should you violate them, and would not need acceptance. These wavers would not need review and would only be required to be posted to do villainy roleplay, just a set of pledges similar to the raid pass system. Blacklisting still exists and the small team above would handle blacklisting villains. Is completely untrue, Villan RP has been improving under the current blacklist for awhile, same as 4. I repeat, along with everyone else Nobody wants VAs, nor anything to do with any sort of application. and there honestly isn't even a difference between solution 2. and 4, again the community wants neither. ((Edited, btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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