The Va Discussion

[mmat 7460]

Some things need to be done with hesitation, and concern. I agree. But this is, in my opinion, not one of those things, Can we just admit we made a mistake and blitz the forums back 2 days? Forget this whole kerfuffle ever happened? The playerbase, me for sure; would respect you guys even more if you did.

 

That said, I'm not too urgently in need of a removal that I can't wait for a meeting today, have at it.

[Cyndikate 2303]

Guys quit being dicks. The staff is being transparent about what they're doing to resolve the issue and you're getting mad at them for being transparent. Quit complaining because a system that they spent weeks creating is taking a few days to remove rather than a few minutes. The idea that this is yielding a negative response as absolutely idiotic.

 

This was done on short notice and impulsively by two GMs out of the entire team. Ask a few GMs and maybe they'll say the same thing.

[Moot 1719]

This was done on short notice and impulsively by two GMs out of the entire team. Ask a few GMs and maybe they'll say the same thing.

Don't try to spread misinformation. The entire team was aware of the VAT, and the entire team will be aware when and if it's removed. There is a process to these kinds of things, and you can wait until a decision is made.

The discussion we'll be having is in roughly 3 hours, and by then, I presume we'll have an answer. This isn't about ignoring the players, it's about making all the GMs aware of what's happening. We're a Team, and we're going to talk about this as a Team.

 

[Jonificus 2741]

What is there to discuss?

 

[Devland99 180]

If VA's stay god have mercy on the staff team

[ski_king3 0]

They pretty much copy-pasted the old VA system, they just changed the app a small bit which could have been done in an hour or less. The lesser and greater evil distinction was there under a different name in Aegis so it isn't exactly a new idea. And if they did somehow take weeks to prepare this, the fact that they fully prepared it and only told us about it when they were implementing it is not transparent.

EDIT: https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/125633-your-view-villainy/?p=1209185

Apparently it has been in the works for months and no word before implementation...

 

I'm not going to say that I agree with the way that they implemented this. However, to expect such a quick change when the staff clearly see a problem and want to try and find a way to resolve it (whether you disagree or not that there is a problem) is silly. Functionally, they have at least until next Thursday to make a change given that VA's won't come into effect until at least then, so let them take some time to try and discuss this as a team. We can wait.

[argonian 14254]

I'm not going to say that I agree with the way that they implemented this. However, to expect such a quick change when the staff clearly see a problem and want to try and find a way to resolve it (whether you disagree or not that there is a problem) is silly. Functionally, they have at least until next Thursday to make a change given that VA's won't come into effect until at least then, so let them take some time to try and discuss this as a team. We can wait.

They don't need to try and find a way of resolving it. The only acceptable way is the obvious one, removing VAs. And they didn't see the problem, 88% of the playerbase pointed it out to them repeatedly and the number of players online dropped hugely.

[Aislin 4354]

Due process is due process. Without it, we get messy solutions and half-assed decisions (three guesses to what I'm referring to!). Let them take their time, stew over the countless threads we've made in response, and make the right decision.

 

Things take time. I'd rather they take the time, have a meeting, and decide to remove it with some semblance of intelligent discourse. Let's not all get hasty. There is really no other solution aside from scrapping VAs/MAs and a proper moderation, but let them come to that decision. We can't make it ourselves.

[ski_king3 0]

Due process is due process. Without it, we get messy solutions and half-assed decisions (three guesses to what I'm referring to!). Let them take their time, stew over the countless threads we've made in response, and make the right decision.

 

Things take time. I'd rather they take the time, have a meeting, and decide to remove it with some semblance of intelligent discourse. Let's not all get hasty. There is really no other solution aside from scrapping VAs/MAs and a proper moderation, but let them come to that decision. We can't make it ourselves.

[argonian 14254]

Due process is due process. Without it, we get messy solutions and half-assed decisions (three guesses to what I'm referring to!). Let them take their time, stew over the countless threads we've made in response, and make the right decision.

 

Things take time. I'd rather they take the time, have a meeting, and decide to remove it with some semblance of intelligent discourse. Let's not all get hasty. There is really no other solution aside from scrapping VAs/MAs and a proper moderation, but let them come to that decision. We can't make it ourselves.

For nearly every terrible change the staff have made, there were plenty of meetings and votes. The problem is they usually ignore the votes(like for the status updates) or the staff are so out of touch that they disagree with nearly the entire playerbase(Nexus PVP, VAs...)

You don't need to have a meeting and a vote on how to tie your shoelaces.

[Grizzly Druid 67]

You know, i'm not bothered about VA/MA stuff, not that much really. i'm not bothered that the staff need time to deal with this. The thing that i am bothered with and the thing that i am well and truly disgusted with is the community, i have observed for the past 2 days and instead of discussing things like normal, civilized human beings, you all ((not all of you, but yeah most of you)) lower yourselves to argue, harass, name call, even go as far to insult people to the worst possible degree who you don't even know other than them being staff, you don't know who they are as a person but just because they spent some time making something you don't like do you think for even a second that it gives you the right to create idiotic memes, throw insults at people and so on. You shouldn't be ashamed of the staff, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being so immature. 

TL;DR - Act your age, not your shoe size.

[Temp 2006]

Proposal? Are you suggesting that we attempt to provide an alternative to something we'd much rather not exist at all? Perhaps it's the wording but, this just looks like more beating around the bush and extending time to a discussion with only two outcomes. How hard is it for a few people to take 2 minutes from their weekend to say, "Keep" or "Remove?"

[Priceflash 832]

Does this mean the 20 man raid on that tavern was not in vain

[shiftnative 3103]

Proposal? Are you suggesting that we attempt to provide an alternative to something we'd much rather not exist at all? Perhaps it's the wording but, this just looks like more beating around the bush and extending time to a discussion with only two outcomes. How hard is it for a few people to take 2 minutes from their weekend to say, "Keep" or "Remove?"

They're most likely just trying to find a time they can all be online. They don't have someone to make an executive decision right now so they're probably just trying to get everyone in one skype/teamspeak chat so they can all be on the same page and figure out a way to make it up to everyone.

Due process is due process. Without it, we get messy solutions and half-assed decisions (three guesses to what I'm referring to!). Let them take their time, stew over the countless threads we've made in response, and make the right decision.

Things take time. I'd rather they take the time, have a meeting, and decide to remove it with some semblance of intelligent discourse. Let's not all get hasty. There is really no other solution aside from scrapping VAs/MAs and a proper moderation, but let them come to that decision. We can't make it ourselves.

[meg 1994]

I feel like threats of DDOS aren't against the server, but are against specific staff members, which is harder to stop.