The Inventory Fallout - Friday April 1st

[Potts244 412]

The oil spill apology statement.

[Shalashask 1112]

3 minutes ago, Song Druid said:

It was inflammatory and unhelpful.

How was it? I was genuinely curious as he said he would be taking full responsibility and wanted to know what his punishment would be, if any.
Tahmas even responded to the comment, and many other GMs and LMs have viewed this post and presumably seen nothing wrong with what I wrote.

From your post in imattyz thread:

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 You are clearly biased towards Tahmas' side, and should not be removing posts just because you disagree with them.

[AlmondTree 418]

17 minutes ago, Song Druid said:

Where do you pull your precedent from?  How exactly would a player accidentally do anything similar?  You can't make claims like this that don't have any basis in fact.  It would be different if it was done on purpose or multiple times, but it was an accident.

 

I don't understand where the daggers of unforgiving revenge are coming from.  People make mistakes.  Let his record reflect the infraction and move on.

A mistake is a mistake but when it's minor then it's cool. But you can't get the red button handed to you and press it not knowing what it does and suddenly a bomb goes off. You can't blame it on the guy that gave you the button, you should have looked it up. Not to mention as this guy apparently already were on the naughty list! People are upset about their PvP gear being lost and invest their time here, that's something staff has to respect even if you say it's "Just pixels". He's honest about it and that is great, but that doesn't mean what he did suddenly is nothing to care about.

 

Has to be some punishment be it petting a hundred cats or no candy for a week.

[Elfen_ 232]

What I see in this thread is a mixture of what seems to be hatred and forgiveness. 

 

Let me just start off with personally, I forgive Tahmas. Even though I wasn't on and even if I was on I hardly ever keep items on me besides maybe monk bread and some voting rewards I deemed worth keeping(Because I don't own a place to store items).

I mean I'm not saying "Don't punish". As typically anytime something like this happens there needs to be punish however, I do believe it needs be a huge punishment because that would be silly. And it is great that he came out and apologize for the inconvenience it may cause once he found out that it wiped inventories of everyone on the server.

 

Also, on a side note I notice that somehow the discussion have bits of "PvP gear was lost." To that I say? Why do you care that gear is gone? I mean it's gear that always get lost due to well, PvP. And if you weren't planning on PvP whilst on, why did you have it on you? Let me include this before you answer that; Carrying gear because you want to possibly rob or protect yourself from being robbed isn't much a valid answer if you ask me since this is a RP server where STORIES should be top priority and not stealing or killing for the fun of it. I get it PvP can be fun but, that is not why we're here. To be this is something that needs to be fixed about the server.

[Song Druid 1486]

10 minutes ago, Shalashask said:

How was it? I was genuinely curious as he said he would be taking full responsibility and wanted to know what his punishment would be, if any.
Tahmas even responded to the comment, and many other GMs and LMs have viewed this post and presumably seen nothing wrong with what I wrote.

From your post in imattyz thread:

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 You are clearly biased towards Tahmas' side, and should not be removing posts just because you disagree with them.

I am not going to continue to debate this with you.  If you have feedback to direct you can direct it without saying "how are we going to punish this person for being incompetent".

 

I have no involvement in this situation and my only feedback has been that he shouldn't be removed for making a mistake.  I've never once said that he shouldn't be punished in fact I think I said this needs to at least go on his record.  If a punishment is devised that's fair.  I don't think removal from the team is fair. Now kindly stop accusing me of bias.  Direct your feedback properly and your post won't be removed.

[Vasemir 16]

I don't think Tahmas deserves harsh stigmatizing, because he came clear, apologized - cool, I think we all can understand that bad things happen.

 

But...

 

Remember that penalties are not only for the punished person - they are also for everyone else from the staff so they think twice next time someone pops up with such great idea. Simply deterring function.

Tahmas - don't backstab me when I'll be walking around Celein

 

Either way, no matter if any punishment will occur, nothing personal should be kept.

[Equinox 245]

2 hours ago, Cʜᴀᴏᴛɪᴋᴀʟ said:

Tahmas did not write the entire Wiki, wtf are you on about. He merely organized it, as did many other GMs, one who was banned for also abusing a command. Tahmas' credibility is shattered in my opinion. And there has to be a punishment derived so he works his way up, either him to go back to wiki team and reapply for trial in a few months, or another form of equal punishment. The deed is done, he wiped an entire server's inventory, a server which is very stiff in handing out items. Your endearing comments striving for sympathy strike no side with me. I'm looking at this from a cold standpoint, no bias whatsoever. And in this context, Tahmas has to be punished. Because of the horseshoe, the war was lost. Honest mistakes that carry over a bad precedent.

 

Oh, and "Pixels were lost" Yeah, and pixels are most of what this server's infrastructure is composed of. Of course noone died. But then if I no-rp someone, that person doesn't ACTUALLY get hurt, and they just got some pixels lost, no biggy so why is it bannable?

 

Contributor =/= Writes entire wiki

 

wtflmao

[Aengoth 2890]

Marley No. **** happens, its not the end of the world. It's not exactly unheard of for a blunder to happen with commands, this one at least doesn't result in massive server downtime. I don't really think making a mistake should cause his credibility to be shattered, to expect perfection is absolute. Now if he did it with the intention of ******* people over, ya then fair enough he should be removed, but this doesn't appear to be the case and people need to chill out.

[Song Druid 1486]

Personally based only off of what you said it would sound even more like whoever rushed his training is at fault.  In what world do you blame somebody who was rushed through a training and not the trainer?  Now I don't know how much merit what you say holds or if there are GMs/Admins that made the decision to push him through quickly but at the very least what seems the most fair and logical thing to do would be to put the guy through a trial period once more to ensure that he's understanding.

[Anderssn 1115]

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[KarmaDelta 969]

4 minutes ago, Song Druid said:

Personally based only off of what you said it would sound even more like whoever rushed his training is at fault.  In what world do you blame somebody who was rushed through a training and not the trainer?  Now I don't know how much merit what you say holds or if there are GMs/Admins that made the decision to push him through quickly but at the very least what seems the most fair and logical thing to do would be to put the guy through a trial period once more to ensure that he's understanding.

 

You'd think professionally, if someone doesn't believe they are ready, they would deny the one up.

Just saying that here.

[Your Favorite Impure 736]

Jesus ******* Christ, people are being unnaturally salty in here. People, you need to undo that calamity in your mammaries about losing your pixels. Tahmas fessed up to his mistake, and I'm sure he won't make a similar one again

[Blundermore 2741]

Isn't the clear inventory command used often for groups like player builders etc prior to them being removed from creative mode during build maps etc to remove any items they might still have on them...

 

 

Also preforming a witch hunt on a GM won't get your items back. Just suck it up and move on. Blame the jackass who thought it was funny to suggest this in the first place. 

 

 

Example of why trolling is bad and why you shouldn't do it. shown above. 

[James 425]

Everyone does something wrong in their trial. Whether its a command error or doing something else to reflect poorly on them. Everyone makes mistakes, and just make sure you tread more carefully with commands, Tahmas. 

 

Never fucked up a command though :)

[Stag 3230]

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