Please Read - Evictions and PRO Rule Clarifications

[cablam 477]

Notice of Evictions and Removals

 

There seems to be some confusion surrounding the rules of providing notice to players prior to evictions and so this section will serve as a clarification to said rules.

 

1. If a region owner wants to evict an owner from their region, they must be given a minimum of 3 IRL days notice to move any items or possessions by the owner. Suitable means of notice are as follows:

In game signs.

Permanent messages (Skype, Discord etc).

 

The first rule states that should a Primary Region Owner wish to remove a Region Owner from their region they must provide them with a minimum of 3 IRL days to relocate their possessions. This notice can be in the form of in game signs that are in easily visible areas relating to the player in question or PMs that cannot be removed or have their contents/time sent altered. When making a modreq to have this done ensure that you have the adequate proof on hand.

 

2. If a region owner wants to evict a member from their region, they must be given a minimum of 3 IRL days notice to move any items or possessions by the owner. This does not count if the character in question is a known criminal, or otherwise enemy to the region.

Suitable means of notice are as follows:

In game signs.

Permanent messages (Skype, Discord etc).

 

This rule states that should there be an area that is occupied within a region by a player and a region owner looks to remove the locks on the area they must provide a minimum of 3 IRL days notice to have the locks removed and any items taken. This notice can be in the form of in game signs that are easily visible to the player in questions or PMs that cannot be removed or edited. When making a modreq be sure to have proof handy!

 

3. If a parent region owner wants to remove a region owner from their sub-region, they must be given a minimum of 7 IRL days notice to move any items or possessions by the owner. During this time, the region may declare itself in open rebellion and must be warclaimed. Suitable means of notice are as follows:

In game signs.

Permanent messages (Skype, Discord etc).

 

This rule states that should a Parent Region, i.e Oren, wish to remove a Primary Region Owner of one of the Sub-Regions, i.e a Duchy, they must provide the Primary Region Owner with a minimum of 7 IRL days notice. Over the course of these 7 days the Primary Region Owner has the option to relocate their possessions and relinquish the keep to the Parent Region Owner or to declare rebellion, something they can do at any point throughout the 7 day period, and must be warclaimed. This notice can be in the form of in game signs that are easily visible to the player in questions or PMs that cannot be removed or edited. When making a modreq ensure that either the Primary Region Owner of the Parent Region or a Region Owner of the Parent Region with proof of approval from the Primary Region Owner must be provided in addition to the notice to the player.

 

Primary Region Owner Clarifications

 

Every region has a Primary Region Owner, or PRO, that is the RP leader of the region. The PRO is not the nation leader on every region underneath a nation due to their character not living in and owning every vassal/sub-region under them.

 

Nation leaders can be PRO of:

• All tiles their nation owns
• The nation's capital
• Any regions their character lives within and owns

 

Outside of these regions the PRO is to be the RP owner of the region. For example:

GM nation owns tiles D1 and D2, has the capital of GM island and the sub-regions of Team Harold, Team Harrison and Team Cablam. The PROs of the regions are as follows:

D1 and D2 - Tahmas

GM Island - Tahmas

Team Harold - Demographic

Team Harrison - iHB_

Team Cablam - Cablam

[Jistuma 1996]

What about places that don't have PRO? Democracies, councils, and the like?

 

Dwarf council may remove the king from power if it's unanimous (I think) for example.

[Thatpyrodude 2008]

far too much bureaucracy made by people who've never ran a city, not a fan of these rules at all.

[Hiebe 2493]

What if we force someone out of rulership? They get three days to pillage the vaults?

 

This is bs rules due to one or two people abusing. I shouldn't have to warn two week tax evaders I'm evicting them

[E__V__O 2000]

1 hour ago, Sythan said:

Not a good idea for in game signs. Can be abused. Say said owner is away from the server for x amount of time. There is no way the person will be able to know that they are about to be evicted. If in game signs are used, the mod you modreq to should do a /seen so see if said person has been online in the past 3 days. Even so, where will this sign be placed? I don't like the sign idea at all. Forum message and skype PM should be the only applicable means of notice here.

 

I will give a true scenario. 

I have recently been made the PRO of a region, with this all the people have been inactive for over 40+ days. With this I declared that I am removing all of them and to do so I need to either message or put down a sign for them to evict. As I do not have some of the contacts and it be so much (over 10 owners) even a banned player. I was unable to remove them unless I put this sign down first. Which I did. 

 

I believe in certain scenarios as a sign being placed is acceptable in this case of inactivity. 

[Thatpyrodude 2008]

6 minutes ago, Hiebe said:

What if we force someone out of rulership? They get three days to pillage the vaults?

 

This is bs rules due to one or two people abusing. I shouldn't have to warn two week tax evaders I'm evicting them

frankly these people have never ran a city before and don't understand situations like this, these rules are awful.

[Bvie 1754]

I'm all about the in game signs being proper warning, especially as a parent RO.

 

I want my sub regions to be active. If people can't check on their region once a week, they aren't active and the plot is a ghost plot. If I have to send them an ooc message asking about the plot, it creates a sudden artificial show of activity because, most likely, anyone whose about to lose control over their region due to inactivity will simply run over and clear the signs, jump around and say here I am! Then go inactive again. 

 

Putting signs down makes it visible to all active members on that plot that the activity is being questioned on the plot and any one of them could go and message the owners that are being evicted about the status, and then the owners can act appropriately. 

 

 

But I agree entirely that when you have players that have been offline for 45 days and you need to put down signs for an additional 7 days, it's kind of crazy. It's obvious to anyone the plot isn't being properly used, so why are gms contributing to ghost plots by not letting us handle them?

 

Also agree having to wait additional days to tax evaders, unless we can consider tax evading an official crime and remove them instantly under that clause. 

[Sky 0]

Why not do what you did with war rules? Grab some people who own regions with sub-regions, and sub-region owners (all who wish to help) to sit down to talk it out.

[Xarkly 17299]

As someine heavily involved with city administration, these rules are a massive pain.

 

In the Hansetian capital of St. Karlsburg, we're always squeezed in terms of housing. In order to satisfy the demand, we often need to perform quick evictions. Obviously, though, this rule hinders that and we're forced to tell people to wait three whole days for a house.

 

This would be fine, except posting a sign outside a house belonging to someone who hasn't been online in twenty days feels pointless, 'cause chances are they're not gonna see the sign anyway. It really disrupts the flow of the city, and turns newcomers away, discouraging increased population and activity.

 

So, I'll propose two changes;

 

-A three-day eviction notice is only required if the home owner has been online in the last 10 or 15 days.

 

-Stewards are free to evict homes whenever they need to, but any items claimed in the eviction must be kept in storage for up to a week or two to allow the evictee to claim them.

4 hours ago, Sythan said:

Not a good idea for in game signs. Can be abused. Say said owner is away from the server for x amount of time. There is no way the person will be able to know that they are about to be evicted. If in game signs are used, the mod you modreq to should do a /seen so see if said person has been online in the past 3 days. Even so, where will this sign be placed? I don't like the sign idea at all. Forum message and skype PM should be the only applicable means of notice here.

Plsno.

 

Remember this also involves capital cities with populations of 40+. I feel like it's really unfair to ask people like me to keep 40+ Skype contacts on standby just for this, especially since digging out the details for these 40+ people would be an excessive amount of work when there are much more efficient rules we could use.

 

 

[Babadooks 566]

if the players been off for more than 7 days, you shouldnt have to notify them

 

[cablam 477]

7 hours ago, Jistuma said:

What about places that don't have PRO? Democracies, councils, and the like?

 

Dwarf council may remove the king from power if it's unanimous (I think) for example.

Ideally every region should have a PRO even if they go to the GM team and say they're only listed as that to make decisions for the region oocly with haste. Special arangments can be made to remove this PRO's control over the region. As for the dwarf council, that is an RP power they have and it does not force the King to abdicate oocly.

 

7 hours ago, Sythan said:

Not a good idea for in game signs. Can be abused. Say said owner is away from the server for x amount of time. There is no way the person will be able to know that they are about to be evicted. If in game signs are used, the mod you modreq to should do a /seen so see if said person has been online in the past 3 days. Even so, where will this sign be placed? I don't like the sign idea at all. Forum message and skype PM should be the only applicable means of notice here.

In game signs are required in many situations as for large regions it is a pain to keep track of skype accounts for everyone in your region and an even bigger pain to then go through that medium to notify them.  As for the location the sign must be placed in an area relevant to the person. For example, when evicting a home owner you must place the sign outside the house in a visible location. It is up to the GM in question to ensure the sign is in a good location.

 

6 hours ago, Jaeden said:

It should be both IG signs and a message to the person you're evicting. One or the other can be abused pretty easily.

This is just impractical for a number of cases due to it being extremely difficult to track someone down oocly.

 

6 hours ago, Hiebe said:

What if we force someone out of rulership? They get three days to pillage the vaults?

 

This is bs rules due to one or two people abusing. I shouldn't have to warn two week tax evaders I'm evicting them

If you coup someone then that is an entirely different situation entirely and they will be removed from the region immediately. As for warning two week tax evaders, activity check signs serve as eviction notice as well. What Haelun'or has taken to doing is placing regular activity checks which will also serve as an eviction notice should it not be removed.

 

5 hours ago, SquirtGun said:

But I agree entirely that when you have players that have been offline for 45 days and you need to put down signs for an additional 7 days, it's kind of crazy. It's obvious to anyone the plot isn't being properly used, so why are gms contributing to ghost plots by not letting us handle them?

The reason this isn't place currently is that we wanted to avoid any gray areas or arbitrary dates. I'll bring it up amongst the GM team and see what they think though. 

 

Also to clarify, these rules were put in place to address issues that were run into in the past with regions. For example, prior to this rule a region owner could walk into their region at 1 in the morning, unlock the entire region and make away with all the goodies before anyone even wakes up. As for the PRO rules, they were put in place to avoid a situation similar to Metz occuring again. These rules have been in place for a few months already, this post serves to clarify and notify people of these rules.