What do you think of the Empire and its contributions to the server?

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[argonian 14254]

an rp construct actually doesn't have to contribute anything to the server beyond just existing in rp. why don't u deal with it in RP

 

I hate this idea that you can't just play the game but instead have to "contribute" in some vague sense of appeasing everyone who might get OOCly upset by losing IRP. We all get mad over RP sometimes but that doesn't imply a burden on the other person to baby us and intentionally lose or something, like playing a board game with a 4 year old.

 

It's always so unevenly applied too - big bad humans always have some implied obligation to only do political RP if it doesn't make you sad that your nation is now a (mechanically independent and totally autonomous) vassal, just because you don't like that RP. There's the idea that the human power has to intentionally lose or totally turn a blind eye sometimes. But there has never been a corresponding obligation for spooknation #473827 to do that. They have to be dragged to their defeats kicking and screaming and then they demand the admins give them a safe space to RP as literal demons from Hell, as if that weren't a contradiction in terms.

[MysticalWeasel 910]

PRAISE THE EMPIRE! GLORY TO THE XDpw royal family!!!!

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To this day, from mid-late 2024 until now, I still hold some grudges out of character against the concept of The Empire in general, and don't feel comfortable creating any new character that starts there, or in any affiliated or allied territories, and instantly think any attempt to go against the Empire is not possible long term, as the game is rigged in their favor, and to be honest, I'm not even completely sure why I still hold this grudge.

 

That being said, I apologise if I've hurt you if you're reading this from what I said in the global chat, I think the Empire does contribute a lot of good roleplay, not just for me, but for a lot of people I've met too, and a lot of people there I meet out of character as-well remain friendly, I used to even attend warclaims for the empire, even if I don't like to admit it

[LoTC's Next Top Model 1626]

22 hours ago, Rig said:

The whiners: "Werewolf's not gonna let you suck it." Real interaction I saw yesterday from a misogynist who orbits your player base. No, being female (or LGBTQ) does not excuse misogyny, and I'm relatively amused that the so called "intersectional crowd" (who btw think that an elven supremacist, homophobic state was still free to continue existing) is no doubt going to double down on this behavior, or facetiously throw the person under the bus as if that individual's behavior is not somehow emblematic of what's going on in their private chats, which no doubt include other players with similar opinions. 

what the actual **** are you talking about

[sam33497 7356]

Well this thread escalated rigorously O_O

[Ramon 5186]

14 hours ago, Navigator said:

I called them out at the beginning when they used the 1942 version of the Iron Cross

Did they ever actually use the 1939 version of the Iron Cross? I'm personally guessing they didn't because the only real notable difference between pre- and post-nazi iron crosses are that the Nazi ones have a giant swastika on the center- and I feel like that would've caused a lot more commotion. Rather hard to miss. I swear their inspiration had just very innocently been Warhammer and that the critique given was massively undeserved and overblown. I guess I could be wrong though

[Borin 7645]

24 minutes ago, Ramon said:

Did they ever actually use the 1939 version of the Iron Cross? I'm personally guessing they didn't because the only real notable difference between pre- and post-nazi iron crosses are that the Nazi ones have a giant swastika on the center- and I feel like that would've caused a lot more commotion. Rather hard to miss. I swear their inspiration had just very innocently been Warhammer and that the critique given was massively undeserved and overblown. I guess I could be wrong though

ur not wrong its okay ramon. ppl r just apeing out

[Widu 535]

22 hours ago, Rig said:

By your logic the bombing of Dresden was genocide, because you have a completely uncritical view of history. 

 

American logic at its finest.

 

 

Great discussion overall. Not sure why it was necessary to compare Haelun'or community to nazis and racists, though.

[spaazmatism 1017]

19 minutes ago, Widu said:

 

American logic at its finest.

 

 

Great discussion overall. Not sure why it was necessary to compare Haelun'or community to nazis and racists, though.

high elf high elf high elf

[Rig 17579]

42 minutes ago, Widu said:

 

American logic at its finest.

 

 

Great discussion overall. Not sure why it was necessary to compare Haelun'or community to nazis and racists, though.

 

I rest my case. Also, the comparison to denazification is not totally analogous, the point is though that Haelun'or was segregated, deeply bigoted, etc. It's not a literal 1-to-1 comparison dw. 

[argonian 14254]

you aren't allowed to comment on haelun'or unless you have separate PhDs on women and the holocaust, but they're allowed to do literal Schutzstaffel dress-up roleplay

 

also lol @ the references to it being genocidal because haelun'or is so homogenous. *why* is it so homogenous? somehow it seems like that same kind of purity, racial-segregation rp would be condemned by the very same ppl if anyone else did it

[Zindran 590]

6 hours ago, Rig said:

I rest my case. Also, the comparison to denazification is not totally analogous, the point is though that Haelun'or was segregated, deeply bigoted, etc. It's not a literal 1-to-1 comparison dw. 

I'm almost certain you've not RP'd anywhere near Haelun'or in the last 1-2 years, since in recent times it'd been nowhere near as segregated or bigoted. The latter of which was in the process of being worked on, with both humans and other elven subraces starting to take hold in the playerbase before the city was "destroyed".

In response to an earlier post you made as well, homosexuality was made legal and widely accepted in Haelun'or since Valindra was the head of state a while back.

I won't argue against the elven supremacy stuff though, but I'd correct it to "High Elven supremacy"

[Rig 17579]

18 hours ago, Zindran said:

I'm almost certain you've not RP'd anywhere near Haelun'or in the last 1-2 years, since in recent times it'd been nowhere near as segregated or bigoted. The latter of which was in the process of being worked on, with both humans and other elven subraces starting to take hold in the playerbase before the city was "destroyed".

In response to an earlier post you made as well, homosexuality was made legal and widely accepted in Haelun'or since Valindra was the head of state a while back.

I won't argue against the elven supremacy stuff though, but I'd correct it to "High Elven supremacy"

 

I was there as the Marshal 1 year ago exactly and got bored and left. The player base at that point of time consisted more of Azdrazi than actual High Elves. Obviously, things might have changed, but when we went there recently, they were still up to the same shenanigans. Trying to kill a Caurost Ilumrin persona for being an impure High Elf, leaving signs in the city saying "Wash yourself after entering the Dark Elf district", things of that nature. It was more or less a High Elven ethnostate where other Elves were second class citizens. From the perspective of world building, that is fine, it is not unethical to play a character who aligns with these negative values.

 

Also, something being legal does not make it explicitly culturally okay, I don't even care really that the group has role-played these things (racism, persecution, etc). I just think the claim of genocide is preposterous. It's very clearly outlined in my other posts if you're curious. Cool, you guys legalized homosexuality around the same time server rules were changed to mandate it could not be persecuted, or slightly before then. That's fine, it still doesn't explain harboring a satanic organization that traffics people's souls, kills people, and traps them in shards of prismarine for shits and giggles. 

 

The intent of these things being said wasn't to disparage Haelun'or out-of-characterly, but more so to explain the complexity involving why Haelun'or had very poor relationships with other countries, and other groups in the elven diaspora at the time. You're right it's High Elven supremacy, but it's such a small nitpick that it doesn't really matter. "Nowhere near as segregated or bigoted" simply serves to minimize that the state itself was both segregated and bigoted to some extent still. Which is fine, that's role-play, I don't really care. But it doesn't exonerate them of the multitude of crimes which resulted in the persecution of the High Elves in the first place.

 

Historically, the High Elves have been malicious to other Elves, and at points also malicious to Humanity, who at one point were among their closest allies until they slaughtered Andrik Vydra. In the modern day, they replaced harboring Shades with harboring Mystics, and it resulted more or less in the disintegration of their polity altogether.