A Clarification On Half Breeds

[mr.gerp 21]

I'm just going to point out this change doesn't really make a lot of sense. And before one of you point out this is a "clarification" and not a change. This might be a clarification of lore that was written, but it also a change in how people play their characters.

The reasoning behind this makes no sense. For example: the traits. Okay so if half-breeds reproduce they have a chance of making a pure blooded elf/human. Lemme explain. Uppercase is for dominant, lowercase is for recessive. Curses are dominant, no curse is recessive. So if a half elf has alleles Mm for mortality, and Ff for fertility; that would make them die young and be infertile, makes sense so far. When they breed with another half elf they have a one out of eight chance to get the good recessive traits, and make a 'perfect' half-elf. Also the half-elves also have a 1/4 chance to produce a pure human or a pure elf. See the probrem here? It doesn't make sense to have the races differ by a single allele.

EDIT: Also if this is the lore, People can just say they happened to be the "perfect" halfbreed. And keep the good traits of their parents, but none of the bad stuff.

Completely ignoring the science, this would create numerous plot-holes in the game world. Why did half-elves live so long until Elysium? A lot of characters would spontaneously die for absolutely no reason. It doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it.

[Alan 1815]

I'm just going to point out this change doesn't really make a lot of sense. And before one of you point out this is a "clarification" and not a change. This might be a clarification of lore that was written, but it also a change in how people play their characters.

The reasoning behind this makes no sense. For example: the traits. Okay so if half-breeds reproduce they have a chance of making a pure blooded elf/human. Lemme explain. Uppercase is for dominant, lowercase is for recessive. Curses are dominant, no curse is recessive. So if a half elf has alleles Mm for mortality, and Ff for fertility; that would make them die young and be infertile, makes sense so far. When they breed with another half elf they have a one out of eight chance to get the good recessive traits, and make a 'perfect' half-elf. Also the half-elves also have a 1/4 chance to produce a pure human or a pure elf. See the probrem here? It doesn't make sense to have the races differ by a single allele.

EDIT: Also if this is the lore, People can just say they happened to be the "perfect" halfbreed. And keep the good traits of their parents, but none of the bad stuff.

Completely ignoring the science, this would create numerous plot-holes in the game world. Why did half-elves live so long until Elysium? A lot of characters would spontaneously die for absolutely no reason. It doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it.

My reference to genetics was an analogy, it wasn't literal. Curses don't work like genetics, it doesn't matter because, no matter what, you will still have the same lineage and descendants as your parents, and therefore the curse will still be present. Besides, if you actually considered genetics, the only thing that would be affected would be the racial traits, but it wouldn't mean that there's a chance of them not being part of a race.

And no, no one would "spontaneously die", because once again we are NOT forcing anyone to kill off their character. Lore wise, people didn't just randomly start dying off for no reason, it's been this way the entire time. Trust me, I've done a lot of thinking and this makes plenty of sense, but I think you are the one who should have considered this topic more thoroughly.

[Blundermore 2741]

I had assume the shorten human curse of life span would work in half or terms against the elven blessing, both were given by an aengul demones creature of power, so one shouldn't completely negate the other, they work hand in hand, that's why half breeds don't have elven life span, but instead a shorten one, half of a thousand years is 500 years of life expectancy cut...

This is not the case

When iblees the fallen revealed his true form to the four, they met in battle, horrifically scarring Krug, descendant of the orcs in the opening charge by krug. The four fought for over 30 years against iblees, either in one go without rest (glorified mythic version) or by subsequently many battles throughout the thirty years with armies etc (more down to earth version) anyways, at the end of these thirty years the world of aegis was left but a ruin of itself. Iblees stood on the verge of victory of a long and bloody war and was ready to deal the final death blow to the four and their children.

It was then however, that the pleas of mortals were answered. A great host of anguels and Daemons took to the plain of aegis and smote the armies of iblees in one quick blow. Trapping iblees in a snare of their own design, ready to cast him into the void. It was then however, that iblees took his chance to enact a final form of vengeance apon the four.

"Do you think me so easily defeated? My touch, my corruption, my taint shall live on throughout you and your Kin to cone, I curse you, sons of four, I curse you with each of your own worst nightmares to befall your races,

Urguan, you are not worthy of the stature the creator gave you, your kin shall grow stumpped, ugly, and become shackled to the whim of precious metals in their own greed

Malin, you wished for children and the sounds of laughter, your kin's forests shall go silent, your kind will go mad in age at what was once lost as I take your future from you and your kin

Horen, immortality you seek? You shall not see your kin spark to greatness, for you shall wither before your time, as will all of your kin to come

Krug, most hated of all, I name you beast, your vigil will become that of your kin's, your race will find no peace or sweet sound of somber rest as they become hungry for war, let your kin's hunger be their own downfall as I let loose the plague of war apon you!"

And with that, the curse was done, fire erupted around iblees as he was sealed away by that of the arch anguels and Daemons into the void, the plain of nothingness.

A man, hooded in brown came before the four and took pity on them.

"I cannot undo the evil that has been placed apon you, instead, I shall make amends by blessing you each in turn

Urguan, may your people become hardy, strong hearted, and strong of will.

Malin, may your people live long through the ages, your forests sanctuary for them.

Krug, may your kind become honourable and show valor where none may exist

Horen, may your Kin one day explore the seventh skies"

As you can all see, the blessings cannot override the curses in any way, shape, or form. Iblees' evil is just too powerful for such a thing, it will live on with us until the end of time or worse takes our characters.

-this took such a long time to do on a bloody iPod, so please read it.

[TwilightWolf 901]

I'm just going to point out this change doesn't really make a lot of sense. And before one of you point out this is a "clarification" and not a change. This might be a clarification of lore that was written, but it also a change in how people play their characters.

The reasoning behind this makes no sense. For example: the traits. Okay so if half-breeds reproduce they have a chance of making a pure blooded elf/human. Lemme explain. Uppercase is for dominant, lowercase is for recessive. Curses are dominant, no curse is recessive. So if a half elf has alleles Mm for mortality, and Ff for fertility; that would make them die young and be infertile, makes sense so far. When they breed with another half elf they have a one out of eight chance to get the good recessive traits, and make a 'perfect' half-elf. Also the half-elves also have a 1/4 chance to produce a pure human or a pure elf. See the probrem here? It doesn't make sense to have the races differ by a single allele.

EDIT: Also if this is the lore, People can just say they happened to be the "perfect" halfbreed. And keep the good traits of their parents, but none of the bad stuff.

Completely ignoring the science, this would create numerous plot-holes in the game world. Why did half-elves live so long until Elysium? A lot of characters would spontaneously die for absolutely no reason. It doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it.

While this theory is very interesting, and mostly correct if I remember my biology class right... I would like to point out that curses aren't exactly... ehm... 'sciencey' :P Perhaps this curse is magical, and affects those even with the smallest amounts of cursed blood? Just throwing that out there. I also understand your concern for other players, and how their roleplay might be affected by this clarification, but it has been stated multiple times that it will be worked out for those players.

[Blundermore 2741]

Curses go beyond science, this is a dark and terrible black magic conjured by one of the most infamous deities of our time to cripple the four races in vengeful spite. Not some genetical fault that can be breeded out or manipulated over time. Iblees, when cursing us seeked to make sure we would meet our own fate at his curse. He didn't expect the blessings of course, but each of these curses were designed to destroy us.

Humans would die too quickly from age to keep armies together to protect themselves from the violence that would erupt from the other races.

The elves would not be able to sustain a population, and would slowly dwindle and die.

The orcs would rip themselves, and anything else for that matter to shreds.

The dwarves in their greed would delve further and deeper in their search for metals, ending up fighting wars for space as they try to search further to fuel that greed.

[cruzazul 2815]

I think it's a fair rule, I can see why some people might be a little angry about it but all in all it is the only thing that makes actual lore sense.

[Jchizz 115]

Look. I simply do not want to play through my character's prime of his life in three months. That's crap. I have a character on another game who's been in his prime for three RL years. I don't want to be forced to kill off my character, or make him age to the point where I will no longer enjoy playing him, or come up with some quick excuse as to why he's still young that won't totally betray my character and, to be frank, disrespect and insult his story. He struggles deeply with his mortality in RP. The curse affects him in RP. He's already aged a dozen years, and I've only been here seven months. Please, just let me play by damn character.

[MetaSolaray 242]

Blundermore I actually read up the lore right before I posted to make sure I was correct, Ibless yes made a curse that couldn't be defeated, but the one who gave them blessings was at equal to greater power to ibless, so his blessing shouldn't be recessive, it would be co-dominate traits, which do happen in nature. These are triats that exhibit and show up in offspring that can show both parental traits. Which would explain all halfies, and full breeds being what they were. The curses were meant to bring them all down...but why is one /TRULY/ mightier then the other, I had thought all demones and Aenguls were of the same level of power, equals...Why would one be mighter then the others?

EDIT: Also...

Horen, may your Kin one day explore the seventh skies"

What kind of blessing is this...? What did humans get?

[Blundermore 2741]

The human's blessing is still cryptic to this day, I guess availer had intended to get airships at some point.

Next, availer was the anguel that blessed the four, and he said so himself he could not undo the evil placed apon them. Showing that the curses were dominant. Use sense, if he could've undone the curses, he would've, but he couldn't, and so instead try to make up for it by giving countering blessings. I think you may need to go back and read your lore again meta...

[Jistuma 1996]

Half-Elves are tricky. Some players claim that Half-Elves should have the curses of both races, others say that they should have neither, others state that the effects of the curse should meet in the middle. Say, Half-Elves can have more children than an Elf but also live longer than Humans. To my knowledge, there is no real lore on Half-Elves. This is something that's been considered before.

Also, you can't escape the curses by becoming a halfbreed, at BEST you get half of both curses, but if you want to be technical you get the full force of both curses which makes you even worse off than being just one race.

I don't really know how one should react to these...

[Blundermore 2741]

^easily explained. Note the dates, first, dec 5th, the second, January 3rd 2013. The statement made on the 5th was made prior to consensus of this document, the other was not.

[MetaSolaray 242]

Again I am not stating Blundermore that the curses were overpowered, I am stating for co-domanice, which would mean both are at affect at teh same time, blessing and curse, which is apparent that the curses and blessings appear in full bloods. I am aware he said that they cannot hope to undo the evils, which he /did not/ he didn't give humans the blessing of long lives, he gave it to the elves, (Though not to anyone else :P)

I am stating that the curses and blessing have a codomiance show, due to the fact the aenguls and demones were equals in power, they couldn't override each other's decisions, (Such as Ibless's curses don't completely swallow the blessings to the point they are ineffective) so they worked alongside each other.

When I thought of half elves I considered genetics of co-domanice in play, not complete recessive traits.

EDIT: Also the human Airships IOU blessing, that might be the big reason for some many halfies....because Humans literally have no blessings...they got a big IOU...so they wanted to get a benefit with their curse, a blessing that actual exists.

[CountJuno88 230]

The human blessing is actually a lot less cryptic than you think. *chuckles* It meant that Humans were blessed with the spirit of adventure. They are driven by discovery. Their short lives are filled with discovering the wonders of the world. It explained why they were usually more involved in the affairs of the world more so than the other races.

[Jistuma 1996]

^easily explained. Note the dates, first, dec 5th, the second, January 3rd 2013. The statement made on the 5th was made prior to consensus of this document, the other was not.

Well.. then it isen't really a clarification, but a concensus from the LM's about the lore of half-bloods.

And that also explains where a lot of the problematic half-elf ideas could have arrived from, seeing as even an LM did state that there was no lore, and stated many chances as to how it could work, and even Darrian said yesterday "At BEST you get half of both curses", meaning there could be a possibility of they having less of each curse.

[Blundermore 2741]

Actually there are different levels of anguels and Daemons, you have the Arch level, that is somewhat of an inner circle of more powerful and experienced anguels and Daemons, you then have normal and Maybe minor level anguels and Daemons after that. Though availer is supposively an arch anguel, you have to remember that iblees was still considrably more powerful than him, or in fact many of the deities. Let's not forget that there were three anguels involved at the end of aegis that could've held arch status, along with a minior anguel as well. And they only just managed against iblees. These being Gazadriel, Aeriel, availer and the minior, nemiisae.

I can sit here and go into detail all day, but I need to catch some sleep.