A Clarification On Half Breeds

[MetaSolaray 242]

Ahhh you see the ancient lore doesn't go into such details, and Availer was an arch angel, how did ibless become so overpowered compared to the rest of the arch angels beyond the creator that his curse had an overwhelming force. Personally co-domanice would to me help the idea that they are equals, instead of a complete dominace over the blessings, though I feel I am poorly showing my side...kind of lazy :c Will do proper post later.

[CountJuno88 230]

I do believe that we should cease this level of discussion on the open forums as it is only serving to confuse the topic further. The different levels of Aenguls and Daemons are not considered canon, yet, so let's get back on topic, please.

[Casamir 42]

I do have to say this though, I thought we where taking a more open approach to how things are, what with all these new "What do you think" topics being made and such, I think this is one of those things that needed to be discussed with your player base. You say "No one will just randomly die" and "Message so and so to get some approved lore thing"

So now instead of RPing my character, who in light of these recent clarifications (Which expose me as a power gamer for not following the Lore of half breeds, which was only recently revealed but not considered a change) I have to cease playing my character (As it's power gaming and lore breaking) until speaking with such and such, coming up with what, a personal lore change app? so that I can have some side winded character history changing reason as to why I, my character, is able to survive for so long where others wilt and die. (Which also kind of makes me feel like I'm seeking special treatment now as to have my character ignore written lore)

It should be fairly obvious by this thread here, that many of us half breed characters are confused, upset, and not happy with this Change clarification. Only a few players have made exclamations of "Finally!" as if they have a personal issue with half breeds. I myself have never met any that where ruining RP by playing a character they love for an extended time.

It also gives me a bit of a "bad rub feeling" to see many LM's just kind of being like "whatever it's changed it's done with." or "This is how it would obviously be done" Though I have seen one (or two) who seem to be looking out for us half bloods who now feel slighted in our character's RP.

I personally don't feel like anyone would ever want to play a half blood with nothing but negatives, normal races each get one blessing.. but uh.. when they mingle, that poor half breed is an abomination. In fact one would think the lore on half bloods would be changed to make them socially unacceptable, I mean if you knew hooking up with that elf, as a human, would cause a being to be born with two curses and no blessings. Would you do it? you'd think most would have the moral standing to not force such things upon the child (the half blood who would be born of such a union) to clarify, not many would willing make an inferior, double cursed being who would have to suffer through life with two negatives and no positives. (specially a half elf / human, sorry, you live short, and won't have kids.. )

[Sporadic 2844]

We friggin told you so.

#HighElfSwag

[Yoff 328]

I don't like this sudden change. Its just my opinion.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

I don't like this sudden change. Its just my opinion.

It is not a change, it is a clarification - it has ALWAYS been like this, just no one ever bothered to check up on it because it would have been of no benefit (to the detriment in fact) of their characters.

[Dilara(lotteje13) 227]

finally they made it clear to the players ^owo^

[The Cleaning Crew 571]

Many thanks. This post is very eye-opening for me.

It won't really affect either of my characters, but I've wondered about how exactly the curses affect half-breeds for a long time. Really, I should have known. The curse affects all descendants of each race. Just because it has a little something else in it doesn't mean that it wouldn't inherit its ancestors' curse.

[argonian 14254]

What I simply don't understand is how humans live to 180... we cannot even do that now, and the average lifespan back then had to be like 35, maybe 55 if you lived past childhood. It seems like the human curse is not effecting them at all, and by the time your character is 180, you have lived through most of the history of the server. I feel that the human lifespan needs to be reigned in, the most being like 80 or 90, and then you would be little more then a crumpled old man. End immortal humanity.

Before you go off saying that Humans don't RP any curse or that they live too long, think about your own race. Elves have no curse that affects RP at all. Most players on the server's chars don't have kids, and the Elves who do can just say, "I got lucky first time!" or just *fades to black* a lot over the course of a few days. Basically you type a few more emotes and wait a couple more days to get someone pregnant. The Human curse actually affects people by making them kill off their character. Not to mention that the Humans didn't even get a blessing.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

^ Elven curse is that they are ******* for all eternity.

[Zebanamana 410]

Horen, may your Kin one day explore the seventh skies"

What kind of blessing is this...? What did humans get?

The human's blessing is still cryptic to this day, I guess availer had intended to get airships at some point.

I am actually confused as to how few people understand this blessing. It is heaven. It is a Muslim blessing or something of the sort. I have always equated it as the dwarves, orcs, and elves have immortality on earth, but the Humans have divinity in death and will go to heaven whereas the other races will cease to be after life.

Blessed is He in Whose Hand is the dominion; and He is able to do all things. Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed. And He is the Almighty, the Oft-Forgiving; Who has created the seven heavens one above another; you can see no fault in the creation of the Most Gracious.(67:1-3)

He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things.

Qur'an 2:29

Also to note, Iblees is the Devil in Islam. A lot of the server origin lore shares with Islam.

[Sultan 3953]

Recently, there’s been a lot of discussion regarding half breeds and how they are affected by the curse. We've been explaining this to a lot of people, but we realize that there is no official lore clarifying the question. For this reason, the post is being made now.

Half breeds, which are a cross between members of different races, receive the entirety of the curse of all races that they are affiliated with. For instance, the son of a human and an elf would be both short lived and have a poor fertility rate, while the son of a halfling (human/dwarf half breed) and an elf would be short lived, have a poor fertility rate AND would be short and greedy.

Now for the reasoning. When the four brothers were cursed, the curse was placed on all of their descendants. For instance, even if a character only has 5% elven blood, the presence of an elf somewhere in their lineage makes them a descendant of Malin, which also means that they receive the elven curse.

Although many people believe that cross breeds receive a portion of the curse based on their lineage, such as someone who is half human only being half affected by the human curse, this is incorrect. The ancient lore, as mentioned, refers the curse to all descendants of the brothers, no matter how loosely affiliated the descendant may be.

Others may claim that the blessings bestowed upon the races are also passed down to half breeds, which is true. However, they also usually say that the blessing counteracts the curse, which is incorrect. Remember, the Aenguls and Daemons were not able to lessen the curses at all, they were only able to bless the races with attributes that would make up for what they lost, so their blessing is not more powerful than the curse itself. For instance, if a human (cursed with short life) and an elf (blessed with long life) have a child, the curse and blessing do not balance and allow for a “medium” life, but instead the curse overpowers the blessing and the child remains short lived. The best reference that can be made is to the science of genetics, where the curse might be the “dominant trait”, while the blessing is a “recessive trait”.

In the end, it is not a benefit to be a half breed, although acting out multiple curses may bring about some interesting roleplay. This is not meant to punish those who are half breeds, it is merely a clarification of how they work, although hopefully this clarification will prevent players from becoming a half breed as an excuse to escape the curses.

If you feel as if your character is unfairly affected by this clarification, feel free to PM me and we can work something out that suits the lore.

So lets say a medium life span for an elf is five hundred years, a Human/Elf half breed can still live for two hundreds years as that's not relay a long life considering there parents.

[Lago 2572]

It's more the curse overriding the blessing, rather than actual genetics.

[Stag 3231]

I think as a server it is time to step up and quell the lore breaking actions that take place.

A couple main things need to happen.

Humans need to own up to their curse. Not all humans "get lucky" and live past 100

Elves, being one myself, also need to begin regulating children being born because I agree. There are too many elven births taking place.

Orcs need to stop splintering off to become "friendly" whitewash. Even whitewash would have the blood rage.

I cannot speak for the dwarves since I have had the littlest amount of experience with them.

I am sure the Lore Masters will find a solution for preexisting Half-Elves. Have faith in them, they are quite bright.

This lore isn't getting in the way of anything. It is helping us become unified as a server.

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

One of the problems I've had with aging my main character is the server time keeps changing the IRL time for an ingame year etc currently if I had followed the current time system with my character which I believe is 1 IRL year is 42 ingame then my character would be about 68 problem is at the start of Asulon there was no ingame date that popped up on the screen if I remember and the times kept changing.