A Discussion On The High Elven War Claim

[5678 260]

Sneak attack:  Sail in darkness

Mercenaries: We love the coin

Magic: Invest in actual guards or an army

[Sporadic 2844]

Yeah what's all this about dropping the warclaim. Let's do this! It doesn't have to be so serious.This is why I suggested multiple battles. Build it up at reasonable pace, and I'm sure we'll pick up a magic plugin along the way.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Sneak attack:  Sail in darkness

Mercenaries: We love the coin

Magic: Invest in actual guards or an army

 

There's not much of an IC reason to form an army when half(ish?) of your city can create fire/ice/rocks with their mind.

 

This issue isn't about the Helves RP ability to defend. From a purely RP perspective, the elves are very capable of defending themselves. The issue comes from the ooc fact that those rp abilities do not transfer to mc mechanics.

[Samler 1566]

And now people are working on this enchanted bow idea, by the words of supremacyops, in few hours we will know what it is about. If you really wish the WC before, give it a look.

[5678 260]

There's not much of an IC reason to form an army when half(ish?) of your city can create fire/ice/rocks with their mind.

 

This issue isn't about the Helves RP ability to defend. From a purely RP perspective, the elves are very capable of defending themselves. The issue comes from the ooc fact that those rp abilities do not transfer to mc mechanics.

 

lol, no offense, but that's quite stupid. This has been a problem for a while. Are people simply just not allowed to attack the High elves because of Mc mechanics? They're simply untouchable? There has never been a magic plugin, and the High Elf leaders should have come up with some sort of solution for it. It seems right now that the survival of the High Elven race has been based on "lol no, we got the magix, can't touch us 'cus we got no plugin"

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

lol, no offense, but that's quite stupid. This has been a problem for a while. Are people simply just not allowed to attack the High elves because of Mc mechanics? They're simply untouchable? There has never been a magic plugin, and the High Elf leaders should have come up with some sort of solution for it. It seems right now that the survival of the High Elven race has been based on "lol no, we got the magix, can't touch us 'cus we got no plugin"

 

It's not exclusive to the Helves. Any group can deny a warclaim right now. 

 

It's an OOC issue, so it should be handled OOCly. 'Making an army' isn't easy, and a faction shouldn't be forced to put in the extra time to do it just because an attacking force doesn't want to wait. Especially when, for all IC reasons, making an army would be pointless.

[5678 260]

It's not exclusive to the Helves. Any group can deny a warclaim right now. 

 

It's an OOC issue, so it should be handled OOCly. 'Making an army' isn't easy, and a faction shouldn't be forced to put in the extra time to do it just because an attacking force doesn't want to wait. Especially when, for all IC reasons, making an army would be pointless.

Is there an IC reason why they are also protected by the magical wall knows as OOC?

 

And most warclaims are actually accepted lol.

[VonAulus 2082]

Come on, I respect you and the way you've handled the orcs Orcs but it's becoming harder for me to like you when you're throwing ungrounded accusations around. We were honestly trying to have a civil discussion and I fail to see the barrage of OOC abuse towards the Orcs that you are gathering from this thread. I know there's some hostility and there probably always will be. This will no doubt cast a shadow on any RP those two might do together. However, I thought it was staying out of this thread pretty well, if not entirely.

 

 Furthermore, if all that stood between now and you guys having a magic plugin was the thousands of lines of code we'd have it for you within the month. I've been coding stuff like you wouldn't believe, and I'm not the only one. That you haven't seen any plugins released or coding promises fulfilled lately isn't because we are lazy.

Do not even start, Vaq made promises, Reag made promises, Telanir made promises, show me a deadline met before you tell me I am wrong. I may seem a little blunt but I am also a magic user, and I can be upset. My problem is not with any single person, but your general lack of coming through on your promise. "You being the teach team." Just because I criticize a team, does that mean you can say I do a bad job with the orcs? No that is not related at all. There has been barrage at us, with multiple head orcs complaining about certain members of the High Elven community taking things OOC that happened in roleplay. There was "action" threatened against us because we roleplayed with the high elves. Do not accuse me of being ungrounded when the sand beneath my feet is not shifting this time. 

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Is there an IC reason why they are also protected by the magical wall knows as OOC?

 

And most warclaims are actually accepted lol.

There's not. That's why a solution is being looked for. Unfortunately, conflicts like this do happen, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting to give up your fighting force because some player made a "I hate high elves" character.

 

And many are accepted, but they don't have to be. No group has any responsibility to accept a warclaim, they simply do.

[5678 260]

Personally, the GM's need to get their act together and allow the mages to get enchanted sh**. All it's been doing is delaying and stalling Roleplay.

[Song Druid 1486]

Do not even start, Vaq made promises, Reag made promises, Telanir made promises, show me a deadline met before you tell me I am wrong. I may seem a little blunt but I am also a magic user, and I can be upset. My problem is not with any single person, but your general lack of coming through on your promise. "You being the teach team." Just because I criticize a team, does that mean you can say I do a bad job with the orcs? No that is not related at all. There has been barrage at us, with multiple head orcs complaining about certain members of the High Elven community taking things OOC that happened in roleplay. There was "action" threatened against us because we roleplayed with the high elves. Do not accuse me of being ungrounded when the sand beneath my feet is not shifting this time. 

Vaq blatantly lied and pocketed server funds and refused to allow people to help.  Can't speak for Reag.  I can though attest that with the current Tech team led by Telanir we have had constant inclusive updates and are kept in the loop about the plugin.  Really, if you're going to keep badmouthing the tech team why are you even here?  You're clearly not here to be constructive otherwise you'd be showing support for their work  (of which we've seen constant updates, and as I have said we are communicated with regularly by Telanir, not to mention the MAT has already started getting magic situated for the plugin, it's going to be very soon.)

[Aetosion 2062]

If the warclaim was based in RP like claimed, why is it suddenly being dropped for several IC years in the future? This is why warclaims requiring OOC acceptance are BS.

I think the bow idea isn't bad. Mental magic gets max knockback, fire evoc gets fire/low power, air evoc gets max knockback, etc. It's a solid idea that needs to be explored. Otherwise, I'd selectively release a nerfed antag magic plugin.

[theflyingpen 43]

If the warclaim was based in RP like claimed, why is it suddenly being dropped for several IC years in the future? This is why warclaims requiring OOC acceptance are BS.

I think the bow idea isn't bad. Mental magic gets max knockback, fire evoc gets fire/low power, air evoc gets max knockback, etc. It's a solid idea that needs to be explored. Otherwise, I'd selectively release a nerfed antag magic plugin.

The bow idea is currently being worked on by a small group, myself being included in it.  We're currently working on creating a fun and balanced way to introduce magic to the battlefield depending on the tier of magic of each mage.

[Stag 3234]

Also can we leave the whole "OOC permission" debate out of this discussion? Simply so the thread isn't spammed with irrelevant things pertaining to this warclaim. The feedback thread might be a better place to discuss/debate it. The high elves aren't opposed to a WC. That is why we are working out a dynamic system using given mechanics. Also note that one person from a community no matter how vocal they are is not a representative for the community as a whole. 

[Supremacy 3361]

The validity of Porkchopp's warclaim and if it is possible will be worked out between him and I. Right now bgnsxxy has decided not to WC for one reason or another. I am currently working with Ming as to how the orc pillage they wished to do a while back will work.