((Ooc)) How To Fix Malinor

[PtahWithin 1320]

This is an OOC topic that will remain OOC. Anyone who flames, trolls etc will be whipped, entombed in cement and cast into an ocean of the tears of whiners.

 

No really **** you if you're going to troll.

 

I've wasted a lot of time trying to fix Malinor in the past, in fact for almost all of Anthos. However, I lost all will to continue, mainly because I realized how futile it was when only one person, myself, seemed to think that it needed fixing to begin with. I don't intend on trying again, but for any group of players out there who think that they have the drive to bring Malinor back as a place of sanity, this is how you should do it.

 

Stop attacking Oren. Yes, they are weaker than they were before. However, wars are pretty terrible things to stabilize nations, for obvious reasons. Malinor is probably the most unstable nation on the map, and so should do everything in its power to stay out of wars at all costs. However, now you are in a war, and you probably can't get out of it through diplomacy. Because you see, Malinor has lost almost all of its standing both in RP and OOC as something which commands respect. It's not because you've been suppressed by Oren for so long, or the White Rose.

 

You've done that yourself.

 

Malinor has had numerous chances to seize enormous opportunities for diplomacy and enter the world stage again. However, each time the Malinorian leadership has let such things slide without looking back. For example, when the Orcs saved Malinor from the Delver Invasion. Anyone who has a moderate understanding of Orcish culture would realize that the fact that the Orcs were willing to bleed for you was an enormous gesture, a frickin giant muscular green hand with dirt nails extended to shake hands. As we know, however, Malinor left them hanging, and so that hand quickly became a green fist.

 

Then there is the matter of the Elven playerbase itself. The so-called 'edgies'. The solution for this problem I shall detail later, but lets talk about how Malinor appears on the forums. Maybe once every two weeks an announcement from the Malinorian government comes out. Post things almost every day, even small things. If you build it, they will come. You have to project a presence, something which tells players "****'s going down yo".

 

Speaking of presence, you must crack down on all Elven players on the forums who try to 'represent' the Elven playerbase. The moment you see a topic come out about how Oren is so mean or that an Elven Genocide is unfair, immediately make a statement saying that the leaders of Malinor reject this whining wholy and utterly.

 

Now about this genocide which is supposedly coming. Let it happen. And if it's not going to happen, ask Oren to do it for you.

 

What Malinor needs right now, more than anything, is complete and absolute annihilation.

 

Hear me out. You must accept that currently the Elven populace is filled with people you would rather not have to deal with, such as the legions of 'edgies' that you get so much **** for from other nations. You can't get rid of them because you don't have an effective guard force, and you can't get an effective guard force because you don't have a stable and united playerbase, and you can't have a stable and united playerbase because the edgies destroy any sense of safety and sanity that could unite the Elven playerbase.

 

It is a cycle which will not stop without the destruction and reamalgamation of the Elven playerbase. A genodice would drive away all of those people who make you want to pull out your hair, because it no longer becomes fun to be edgy when there is no one they can make cry. The edgy players will disperse across Anthos, just like they did when Salvus was destroyed.

 

However, other honest Elven players will leave also. People who enjoyed being an Elf, but can't anymore because of how invested they are in their characters and their RP. There is little you can do for them. After the genocide, the only people who will be left in the Malinorian playerbase will be those who have an absolute desire to rebuild, who have seen blood and fire and are hardened by its memory. Malinor needs to lose, to be hit so badly that it will spit out the loose teeth that cause immense agony. Those teeth which cling so closely and are deathly afraid of being removed: they must go. Perhaps you can take them back in once the surgery is over.

 

People do not take Malinor seriously anymore, as I said. So, your job is to give them reason to. Endure the wholescale destruction of your land, your city, your people and your government, and come out stronger because of it.

 

All other problems can be solved much more easily once you have done that. Don't try and do anything in this thread if you are not someone who truly cares about saving Malinor, because you will screw it up. And others may use what is in this post as a pathway to personal power and let things remain stagnant and full of ****. To such people, I shall fight you and make your lives miserable.

 

That's it for now. Wipe off those tears, clench your fists and teeth. Go fix it.

[Draeris 3124]

Actually, I believe they are doing quite a good job fixing it. Baconthief knows what he is doing, and the prosecutions on edgy criminals become more common.

[PtahWithin 1320]

Actually, I believe they are doing quite a good job fixing it. Baconthief knows what he is doing, and the prosecutions on edgy criminals become more common.

 

What he is doing is good, but where he is now in the government is not enough. One person cannot fix everything unless they have absolute power to fix it.

[dandan1350 479]

I'm so happy a topic like this arrived, I've constantly been stressing to the leaders of Malinor that there's no possible way they can /EVER/ win a war with their current internal state. The cities in shambles, the guard force is smaller then the average raid group and generally one thing I've noticed - Nothing ever gets done, its always 'I'll get round to it' or they simple nod and dismiss it a few minutes later. Its taken me a whole week to get acknowledgement for supplies to build ONE manor in Malinor as their architect.

 

I personally believe all your points are dot on and wished I would have been around to help you try and drive these into effect, I hope others take notice of this and begin to see reason. I know I personally will try and drive some of these points home for you.

[Cosmik 220]

The single key to success is a core group of 5-8 players that is online constantly, engages the playerbase with new RP, and remains level-headed no matter what happens. That's how Alras rose to power. That's how groups such as House Flay and the Roses became powerful. And it's something Malinor hasn't had since Aegis.

 

No point in talking about anything until that's straightened. And if you're not willing to be a part of the solution, stop whining.

 

</edge>

 

--Former Elven Prince

[PtahWithin 1320]

The single key to success is a core group of 5-8 players that is online constantly, engages the playerbase with new RP, and remains level-headed no matter what happens. That's how Alras rose to power. That's how groups such as House Flay and the Roses became powerful. And it's something Malinor hasn't had since Aegis.

 

No point in talking about anything until that's straightened. And if you're not willing to be a part of the solution, stop whining.

 

--Former Elven Prince

 

yes

[Sentlit 108]

As one that may be called a "Malinorian", I actually think that this is something that may be not only needed, but a significant historical event that would change all future interactions between races. I see positive effects RPly and OOCly.

Ptah, if you would add me (sentlit) on skype, I'd be willing to at least OOCly help you with recovering Malinor.

Edit: I suppose once the week is up, I could return if and spark some RP- get people reinvested in Malinor.

[Samsan99 274]

A change of leadership would be nice at least some of our leaders reform the high council with people that will get things done and see Malinor to the better. The guard yes its a huge issue we have been even worse since Lion can't think of his MC name took over and drove even more of them away aswell but is leading us the right way apart from making them waste time doing hall of labour work but this is just me. We dont even have a barracks or a jail i have to use my own house to do any guard work in privacy. Yes nothing gets done and its annoying when people don't do their job we have builds and gathers yet i find myself doing most of that myself now to save my energy instead of wasting it to get them to do their job. I Dont see the few in change often but when i do most are too busy with their own RP not helping to work on the nation such as just the other day they broke almost every single region in malinor 

[PtahWithin 1320]

As one that may be called a "Malinorian", I actually think that this is something that may be not only needed, but a significant historical event that would change all future interactions between races. I see positive effects RPly and OOCly.

Ptah, if you would add me (sentlit) on skype, I'd be willing to at least OOCly help you with recovering Malinor.

 

I have stopped trying to get Malinor to recover, all my blood and sweat I now dedicate to Alras, the only place I've ever actually had fun in on the server.

[MonkeyCoffee 516]

Thank you.

[Jistuma 1996]

Are you really... really sugesting... Kill all the edgies? And keep killing them when they return?

I don't know if you have been around Malinor... but the 'edgies' are not the problem... the murderers, the crazy people, the raiders, the cultists and a few others are the 'problem'. Yet while some of those are 'edgy' not all of the edgies are them.

What Malinor needs is not extermination... what it needs is to follow the lore of the elves and NOT declare war on Oren when it had NO IC reason to do so, and for unity to happen between the elves, meaning, if someone yells "help! he's attacking me!", everyone that shows up is to help the victim, and not the attacker.

Right now you have Khel and Lion in princedom, you have the clerics walking around everyday, you actually have a guard force bigger than it has ever been in Malinor of Anthos, Malinor does not need extermination, it needs to keep with the bloody notion of the Damned (I forgot it's name, you wrote the post of them Ptah) to be done, and the person kick and kept out of Malinor by force if needed. This includes Cultists, heck they are not that hard to find, most of them are freaks of nature, and most of the others wear black robes and mask.

They have a smaller town, that has worked WONDERS, let them continue to become better. Just one thing needs to change... STOP getting yourselves into wars because you think you can win...

[Sentlit 108]

Was not this post about recovering Malinor? Is this not but a rant, then?

[PtahWithin 1320]

Was not this post about recovering Malinor? Is this not but more a rant, then?

 

You could call it a rant.

 

And Jistuma, I bring the cultists and murderers and cannibals all under the umbrella of 'edgy'. EDIT: I don't mean kill the edgies. I mean force them out absolutely and entirely.

[Jistuma 1996]

You could call it a rant.

 

And Jistuma, I bring the cultists and murderers and cannibals all under the umbrella of 'edgy'. EDIT: I don't mean kill the edgies. I mean force them out absolutely and entirely.

Not all edgies are cultists, not all cultists are edgy...

Use their proper names or you will get no where.

[Bircalin 332]

I tried my best for Malinor through both Aegis and Anthos with my 'gap year' being with the Mori through Asulon. The recurring problem, from my perspective, has been the lack of a devoted playerbase. There have always been very few actual 'figureheads' throughout the Elves' time on LOTC. By that, I mean there have been few Shiftnatives, few Indelwehns, few Titanias etc.
Players come and go, they rarely ever stay for long. Even with Lafthi (Archoly/Rathriel) he will come and go again for short periods of time. It was for this reason that I stayed with Malinor for as long as I did, but a few months back I ultimately decided enough is enough. I do hope there is finally a change, of course I do. But I'm no more willing to quite literally waste away my years looking after players that don't want change.

I like to consider the Lumidrim my 'leaving present' - the single project I wanted up-and-running so that I may leave in confidence with its continuation. I'm glad to see that could happen, and I'm still proud of not myself but the players that had the initiative to take something good and hold onto that.

Good luck, guys. But count me out from now on.