Thales: Racial Bonuses

[Shar'ku/jenspelao 410]

Do we honestly need pvp buffs? in aegis we were fine with the skills plugin that was enough, this just makes people argue at eachother lol and get angry at eachother, its pointless.

[Redbaron™ 690]

Even without pvp buffs, with even numbers Dwarves vs Humans, or Orcs vs Humans. Orcs and Dwarves would win, the better pvp'rs bra.

 

-I may have started a flame war unintentionally. lol-

 

"Unintentionally"

[calculusdesola 1658]

 

When has it ever been 10v10 in Lotc besides in arenas? Lol

What can the humans have and what debuff are you.willing to take for it.

I would assume your pvpers wouldn't like to have a change from deafult PvP that they are used to from other servers.

 

Feel free to read my post instead of trying hard to find ways to insult Oren on the forums.

 

Do we honestly need pvp buffs? in aegis we were fine with the skills plugin that was enough, this just makes people argue at eachother lol and get angry at eachother, its pointless.

 

There you go.

[Hiebe 2493]

Im not isulting I just read in the forums the main human pvpers prefer defult mc PvP.

I never try hard on a video game sorry you got butt hurt :/

[mmat 7460]

Hahahahhaa mucky that's proper funny m9 goml!!1

 

[Ser Paul Ryan 1139]

 

There's a number of post on this thread that are more or less simplified down to this. I don't want to spend the time sifting through all fifteen pages to find each one, but clearly, if you've at least perused over this, it's clear that a hefty number of people believe that humans are getting screwed over PvP-wise, and that a hefty number of other people believe that this is just, because, as lovely little Revy here has said, we have numbers.

 

Revy & Company, you could not be more wrong.

 

Here's why: 

 

The Human Race has, time and time again, maintained numerical superiority to other races individually, and at times numerical superiority to every other race combined. This is not just a matter of lore, this is a matter of OOC fact; more players who join LOTC create human characters and remain active on human characters. If you believe that the fact that you cannot entice players with an enjoyable OOC and IC experience means you should be given an upperhand over those who can, you might as well change your forum name to Frosty the Special Snowman. People claim that IRP humans would have a notable debuff against other races in combat, but actual experience on the server has shown time and time again humans not only go toe to toe with the opposition in warfare and combat, but they excel in it. You are blatantly penalizing the group that makes the server more popular and have larger events, be they PvP warclaims or celebrations/events in cities or elsewhere, because you cannot compete with them. Do you want to be able to face humans? Then you should be as good as them. Please do not for a moment think that just because you are nowhere near as good at humans as maintaining players means you somehow have to have special snowflake status given to you by the staff for OOC mediums. 

 

In all honesty, PvP buffs should be completely rewritten, if not entirely thrown out. Why do we need PvP buffs? This is a roleplay server; we should encourage passive or racial buffs for things that are strictly driven through roleplay: professions and races. We should not for any reason focus on granting more of a spotlight to PvP and war events, and this is coming from someone who enjoys both of those things greatly. Bring PvP and Warclaims/etc back to vanilla, as opposed to what will assuredly become a way for minority groups to beat humans in a 1v1, 5v5 or 10v10 scenario, writing up a victory post about how great they are, and then becoming exterminated come a warclaim and crying to the staff or on the forums. Make Dwarves good at mining! Elves probably know the right way to chop a tree, and Khas can probably pull out a catfish (hue) from a lake better than most. Humans are lorewise often seen as the "jack of all trades" race, excelling in most but mastering if none. In this way, the current setup has some ground, in that it should grant humans a small bonus in everything, and other races a large bonus in individual things. Stop focusing on impeding the humans because we're better than everyone else in PvP or in getting a large playerbase. Stop being so ridiculously foolish as to imply we don't need or deserve a bonus because it would make us even better than we already are; which is clearly better than everyone else. 

 

Too long didn't read:

 

Paul Ryan's getting real sick of your ****, Revy.

 

 

EDIT: I forgot to post how grumpy this made me

 

 

Literally reduced to the point of quoting myself because half the people on this thread don't seem to realize how preposterous it is to imply that since the humans have a more enticing experience and attract more players, they should be penalized to make it fair for special snowflakes.

 

 

Paul Ryan knows you can do better than this. 

[DruinsBane 240]

Humans have got a buff relating to PVP and that's there abundance, the humans will always have larger population than any other race, applicants applying under humans is common, due to humans being easily understandable. We are humans thus inherently we have some degree of understand, thus it is easier to apply under the race of humans, rather than another that requires shifting.

 

Role-play wise, humans have always got the short end of the sticks when it comes down to genetics and what they're capable of. But it is how they deal with, and their adaptability to their enviroment. It would indicate some level of fear when a behemoth of muscle (Orc) comes running at them.

 

 

Humans get a 10% XP boost in everythign. That is their combat boost. That is really good for them. That with their numbers mean they will be able to outfit their armies very quickly, and maintain a good supply of everything.

[mmat 7460]

If races need to attract more people, the way to do that is to make that race attractive through IC means, not by giving them better pvp buffs lol.

[Ser Paul Ryan 1139]

[Shar'ku/jenspelao 410]

I shall repeat it once more, we don't need pvp buffs we were fine without them throughout all the maps and now we are adding it just for the community to argue, just remove them completely so it stops, oh another thing that is retarded is the slowness on iron armor, when you sprint its literally feels as if you had a tower on your back, I just checked, it needs to be reduced to 30%-25% at least on iron armor (It's 68% right now), 10% chainmail if it will exist in 4.0 and 40-45% diamond armor if it exists in 4.0, having iron armor doesnt mean you run at the speed of a penguin.

[mmat 7460]

I shall repeat it once more, we don't need pvp buffs we were fine without them throughout all the maps and now we are adding it just for the community to argue, just remove them completely so it stops, oh another thing that is retarded is the slowness on iron armor, when you sprint its literally feels as if you had a tower on your back, I just checked, it needs to be reduced to 30%-25% at least on iron armor (It's 68% right now), 10% chainmail if it will exist in 4.0 and 40-45% diamond armor if it exists in 4.0, having iron armor doesnt mean you run at the speed of a penguin.

 

+1 top deutschlander

[Minniefox 16]

Going to hop on the bandwagon.

No to PvP buffs.

[Austin 697]

Good change.

[Minniefox 16]

Make soldiers an actual profession tho, makes nations having to balance between workers and soldiers. YOu either spend your time as a farmer or you join the army full time, simple.

[wolfdwg 2677]

Go back to the days of Diamond armor, gold weapons, no craft times, and leveling in skills plz. It worked and no one truly had a problem with it. I don't understand why tech team even removed it.