The Blah; A Tongue Made Free

[D A N N Y 966]

Out-of-Character:

You have my support HappyShackles,

Some may say that you're trying to break tradition, it's heavily evident that the lore which is currently being abided does not attract new players nor keep most veterans aside from the obvious physical strength benefits as an Orc. As an ex-Orc player, I found it incredibly hard to cope with the 'Blah', not because it was difficult at all to learn, moreso the way dialogue was presented happened to make things appear less serious than they were intended.

To my knowledge, it's impossible to speak the full Orcish tongue simply due to the fact that it'd be unbearable to actually translate /all/ the words we know into the Blah. Because of this OOC disadvantage, Orc players are already found speaking broken common-tongue, ever since they were presented to the server. You would think the Orcs would've learnt how to speak the common tongue rather fluently, with mild complications due to their accents.

EDIT:

On second thought, should this idea be actually forwarded and accepted amongst players I believe there should be mild changes to your idea, HappyShackles. Reduce the heavy accent as you intend, but ensure difficulty with pronouncing longer, complex words (e.g. sophisticated, intervention, pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis)

[L0rdLawyer 2272]

Hu-Din listens to people talk about this in a nearby tavern and just gives a blank face.

 

((Happy, this is one good idea. You are supporting new players to become uruks which others wouldn't do. Your taking all these risks to benefit the uruks and even though some of them really sucked, this one is a great idea. Just ignore the haters. You want the urukish population up and everyone should realize, this is the right thing to do.))

[empirerebel 305]

Brool'Lur frowns, he betrayed his people, but it is his people who TRULY betrayed him! Brool shouts at the sky in ANGER "WHUY AM LATZ LEDDING DIZ HABBEN? DIZ AM NUB'HOSH!" 

 

[Dakirennis 959]

((As someone who's just started trying uruk roleplay I've been having a bit of difficulty getting my a grasp on blah. I already knew some of the dialect coming into it, but new players who have never experience it before might really struggle with it and just call it quits.))

 

 

*To add, if an Orc is deemed a traitor and whitewash solely for how his words pour from his mouth, there is something inherently wrong with Orcish culture that does not conjoin with it's other pieces. One should br judged by the honor and wisdom of their actions, not their preferred choice of vocalization. ]]

 

Also, I agree with this wholeheartedly. You could end up running off new players before they even have the chance to learn proper blah if they're immediately branded as whitewashes. I've only been playing an orc for a couple of days but this seems like a good decision to me.

[Samson Option 9652]

((It appears the nature of complaints lies in Happyshackles' infamous behavior and desires. My only caveat is that I don't feel blah alienates the new players as much as we as veterans want to try and assert. The one forum account that is tied to a "new member" actually spoke against this. That is all from me!))

[lemontide331 1615]

chucklug frowns

 

((dumb

[Demotheus 651]

((just a really bad lisp, now that I try it.))

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

Grogmar'Gorkil stands up infront of a few Orcs in the arena
"Hail friends." he says, a glint of happiness in his eyes "Remember that time we killed Orcs for speaking common? I don't either! I remember teaching them blah like a good Ork.". The Orc rolls his eyes "Da whytewuzh puzzeh skah bi infektin mi nuw, skah diz.." he growls, looking around "Vere da skah iz Mogroka!?!?!?"

[Lawrna 440]

The dead High Elven ghost known as the Eternal Librarian scoffs at this notion.
"Seriously? Their tusks are in the way! I even asked them this.", she rants to herself.

"I even studied the language to understand them.
I even think you're a whitewash, dear Larihei."
 

[Hiebe 2493]

(Your a nation leader not a loremaster. Stop making green humans. Accept and improve the age old lore and traditions.)

Dwain hopes to see this whitewash rex impaled like he should be.

[_pr0fit 3084]

(( I would like to point out that I have been playing an ork for over a week, and I still can't get the language right, I also am practicing it away from the orcs because they keep getting angry at me for not knowing it right... I can mostly speak in the accent now, its just the extra words that I have a hard time with, like Gruk, Latz, and so on; This is what he was talking about I am pretty sure. ))

 

Edit (( The lore team needs to conform to the people who are telling the story of the server (the players ) not the other way around... ))

[HappyShackles 886]

((Gonna repeat it once more; the blah is not abolished. I am simply offering that Uruks are not proclaimed whitewash for not speaking fluent blah.

However, if months go by and they refuse to learn the tongue at all, we will have some IC issues of course.

Thank you to those of you who have offered civil responses, dissenting or agreeing. Though I would again like to note that the massive majority of you, do not play Orcs. If you feel so strongly, a I said before, make an Orc character and combat the reforms. Otherwise they will remain in place, till they succeed or fail.

Forgive me for an OOC response to my RP post. I felt the issue was largely out of character anyway, though the way that one speaks, in reality, is entirely arbitrary. Especially on a Roleplay server.))

[The Thought Police 73]

((I'd just like to say, I fully support this decision Shackles. When I first made my Orc (my first character), I completely stayed away from Orcs, because I couldn't speak, and didn't understand, the Blah. After a while I met a whitwash Orc I met taught me quite a bit in OOC, and after a few days of trying to speak it properly around humans that wouldn't lynch me was a whitewash for not speaking fluent Blah, I was confident enough to go to San'Vitar and start RPing with them properly, and I've never looked back since.

I feel that this'll be a real bonus to the new players ( http://gyazo.com/4da94ea8ac46ca7a821d5e1c97b56141 ), since they'll be able to start RPing with Orcs from day one, as they don't have to learn the Blah first, and then they can pick up the Blah themselves, which is a much quicker process than the one I went through. I do, however, understand why people are saying Shackles is 'destroying tradition'. I don't mean any disrespect to you, but I really don't think this is true. He's not abolishing the Blah completely, he's making fluent Blah Optional. The emphasis there being on 'fluent' and 'optional'. And, I've got to say, there's not much point having everyone speak fluent Blah if there's barely anyone to speak it. Besides, like I've seen said previously in this thread, Blah can sometimes make it very hard to take Orcs seriously, even if people who play Orcs (or RP with them a lot) will take it seriously.

As for those people saying things like "Is this an attempt to please your inner human player?"; "Please stop trying to ruin the orc's unique culture and turning them into green humans"; "Kevin P at it again, how is your nation of green humans doing?". Perhaps I'm simply interpreting these incorrectly, but these seem to have the purpose of antagonising. You've not given an argument, or any reason for your opinion, you've just stated it in a rather rude way that doesn't help anyone. I don't want to cause offense, but I'd just recommend giving clear feedback for your dislike, so something can actually be done about. Because I see what HappyShackles is trying to do here, and that's to try and generate RP for the Orcs (none of which I've really seen going on lately) and attract new players to learn about the culture and fun of RPing as one. So, I'll say it again, I fully support Shackles' decision in this.

 

 

EDIT: I've just read Ballnazor's new message, and I'd just like to say that I was proclaimed a whitewash for not knowing the language. Shackes isn't abandoning the language at all, he's making it optional so more people will feel inclined to get involved with Orc RP. This isn't destroying Orc culture, it's allowing more to experience it with easy.))

[wolfdwg 2677]

(( This is the most retarded thing ive heard, "the language is too hard!" It really isn`t. smash a few letters togethet with the occasional translation from the dictionary and you have a sentence. Geneticly we cannot speak common due to our mouths filled with tusks. And you litteraly, we know common language but cannot speak it due to said tusks.

An example sentence: "Mi bi tinkin dah rex bi ah zkahin whytewazh! Allowin diz whytewazh wayz ib iz dumb!"

Translation: " Me be thinkinh the rex be *bleeping* whitewash! Allowing these whitrwash ways it is dumb!"

Its your kingdom I understand but this is absurb and not very popular. Please reconsider for lore and roleplay sake.))

Uzshak`Lur in the spirit realm grows furious at the New Uzg ways.

Ratka`Azog simply applies face to palm, and packs his things leaving the Uzg.

[mylimo7 409]

((Does the Nation leader even get picked by an arena fight anymore in the orcs?))