A Trial: Defender Default

[Harri 4815]

28 minutes ago, Jake From Statefarm said:

Hey, look, let's go RP! :D

You imply people don't RP in raids at all. There's more than one type of raid - one where people already agree it will be a PvP raid, ones where there will be small groups attacking and RPing. I can't wait for people to call PvP on me when I attack a settlement on my undead now, despite me having RP'd for 2 hours straight.

 

You also imply defenders don't meta-game, meta-stall or power-game in defence, winning said Power-gaming argument due to everyone agreeing it was fair due to it being defender default.

 

I sadly hope this whole thing backfires, as horrid as that makes me sound.

[Anderssn 1115]

30 minutes ago, Samoblivion said:

 

Not really an option for the Orcs, a society built around bloodlust, strength, pillaging and warrior culture. To say "Don't raid." is to say "Don't RP your character's culture."

Orc culture or it's 'curse' is not an excuse, and most raids aren't exactly rp, it's pvp. You can still rp an orc without raiding. Either way, I don't like this change, pvp default will still be my favorite.

 

If you decide to keep this, at least change it so that if there is more that 5 people involved in the fight the default would be PVP unless both sides agree to RP or rollplay :-d

 

 

The problem with this is that rp takes such a long time, and banditry(remember aegis? Pay road tax now please) is often around public places. And more and more people will get involved. And it's very hard to say if the attacked player is asking his friends to 'pass by' on skype or TS. This is the main reason most people who do banditry and combat rp choose PVP over RP.

[MongolKhan 255]

Not being funny but with the state of the rp combat, this is fkin stupid. I've tried rp now and all I am met with is power game after powergame after powergame after powergame, I also do not want to spend six hours roleplaying with the same person, i have better things to do, simply put, if you don't like pvp default, get good at pvp instead of acting like a nob head. 

[Samoblivion 532]

2 minutes ago, Anderssn said:

Orc culture or it's 'curse' is not an excuse, and most raids aren't exactly rp, it's pvp. You can still rp an orc without raiding. Either way, I don't like this change, pvp default will still be my favorite.

 

If you decide to keep this, at least change it so that if there is more that 5 people involved in the fight the default would be PVP unless both sides agree to RP or rollplay :-d

 

 

The problem with this is that rp takes such a long time, and banditry(remember aegis? Pay road tax now please) is often around public places. And more and more people will get involved. And it's very hard to say if the attacked player is asking his friends to 'pass by' on skype or TS. This is the main reason most people who do banditry and combat rp choose PVP over RP.

 

I'm not arguing that all Orcs need to raid, just that Orcs have an RP reason for raiding.

[zaezae 1098]

If your combat Rp last four hours then you are just as unwilling to lose as your opponent. Maybe we can enforce a standard of good RP now?

 

I do have mixed feelings though. It's really shitty for people to run up to people and pvp default three minutes into RP because 'you don't want to RP for a certain time period'. Like, if you don't want to RP, then why did you start it?

[cruzazul 2815]

I'm sorry but I can't deal with 45 minute rp fights that **** is no bueno

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Personally, I think that many of the issues people are bringing up are things with very simple solutions.

 

Don't want to spend 4 hours (a terribly exaggerated number to begin with) fighting? Don't go out and pick a fight. This isn't going to make anyone's lives harder unless they're doing it to themselves. If you're a guard of a location, you have complete authority to decide combat type within it, as well.

 

If you're concerned about Powergaming - Take screens and talk to a GM. A lot of people are holding on to exaggerations about the state of things three years ago when RP was still default. The team is entirely different these days, and people should be viewing this issue with a more fresh opinion. Part of the purpose of this trial is actually to test the ability of the team to properly respond to such issues.

 

At the end of the day, the best thing for everyone is to go into this with an open mind. If it works, then most people will be happy. If it doesn't, well, that's the point of having a trial.

[Dyrr 137]

I really like this change tbh. Now people won't be afraid of quick rp-less attacks where the attacker only wants the victim's items.

[Anderssn 1115]

43 minutes ago, Samoblivion said:

 

I'm not arguing that all Orcs need to raid, just that Orcs have an RP reason for raiding.

 

 That's not what I'm trying to say. But yeah, every military order or group is formed with a cause which is most likely to protect and to eliminate threats. And you raid to weaken or to piss off your enemy, or simply because it's fun. 

[Space 2335]

1 hour ago, 吳憾戰士14 said:

You should have acted...

They are already here...

The feedback threads told of their return..

Its removal was merely a delay...

Until the time after the fringe wars happened

When the sons of Malinor would spill their own BRs ...

But no one wanted to believe...

Believe RP default was ever possible

And when the truth finally dawned...

IT DAWNED IN ANNOUNCEMENT THREADS

But...there is one they fear

In their tongue...he is pollwarrior

SALTBORN!

 

 

 

hahaha +1

 

n e ways

 

Scenario: A darkstalker who has webbed feet IRL comes into the Druid Grove, starts talking ****, they had been in the grove threatening to kill people before. The Druids ask them to leave. They don't leave. So the Druids attack to try to get the dude to leave.

 

Who is defender, who is attacked? Is it counted as a 'guard force' so, even though the Druids attacked first, they get to decide the default? Or is the darkstalker who has webbed feet IRL the defender, cause he was attacked?

 

Or is it PVP cause it's not entirely clear?

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

8 minutes ago, Space said:

 

hahaha +1

 

n e ways

 

Scenario: A darkstalker who has webbed feet IRL comes into the Druid Grove, starts talking ****, they had been in the grove threatening to kill people before. The Druids ask them to leave. They don't leave. So the Druids attack to try to get the dude to leave.

 

Who is defender, who is attacked? Is it counted as a 'guard force' so, even though the Druids attacked first, they get to decide the default? Or is the darkstalker who has webbed feet IRL the defender, cause he was attacked?

 

Or is it PVP cause it's not entirely clear?

Being the controllers and defenders of the grove, the druids would be the ones to decide.

[Space 2335]

Just now, Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) said:

Being the controllers and owners of the grove, the druids would be the ones to decide.

 

Ok, so I lure a guy to my frost witch tower and attack him so I can eat him. I very clearly started the altercation, yet it's my region, so I am the defender?

[Publius 4098]

29 minutes ago, Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) said:

Personally, I think that many of the issues people are bringing up are things with very simple solutions.

 

Don't want to spend 4 hours (a terribly exaggerated number to begin with) fighting? Don't go out and pick a fight. This isn't going to make anyone's lives harder unless they're doing it to themselves. If you're a guard of a location, you have complete authority to decide combat type within it, as well.

 

If you're concerned about Powergaming - Take screens and talk to a GM. A lot of people are holding on to exaggerations about the state of things three years ago when RP was still default. The team is entirely different these days, and people should be viewing this issue with a more fresh opinion. Part of the purpose of this trial is actually to test the ability of the team to properly respond to such issues.

 

At the end of the day, the best thing for everyone is to go into this with an open mind. If it works, then most people will be happy. If it doesn't, well, that's the point of having a trial.

 

You're pretty insulting until the last paragraph. How about you just have faith in your decision and wait for the trial instead of being so abrasive?

 

As for this, there needs to be a cap before it's pvp default or you're just breaking raiding tbh, I would never partake in a 10 man RP default.

[Space 2335]

Just now, Publius said:

 

You're literally just insulting until the last paragraph. How about you just have faith in your decision and wait for the trial instead of being so abrasive?

 

As for this, there needs to be a cap before it's pvp default or you're just breaking raiding tbh, I would never partake in a 10 man RP default.

 

The cap is 6+ people to auto PVP default unless everybody agrees to one type of fighting.

[Publius 4098]

Just now, Space said:

 

The cap is 6+ people to auto PVP default unless everybody agrees to one type of fighting.

 

thank the lord I thought pvp was kill