Two emote bows?

[SimplySeo 5270]

As it stands, in regards to action economy on LOTC, bows are, in my opinion, woefully underpowered. It currently takes three emotes to send an arrow down range, an arrow which is more likely, (due to the prevalence of plate armor on LOTC, and the fact its down to a flat roll) to do little to nothing at all. Archers- One of the three classic fantasy tropes (warrior, archer, mage) is basically useless. At the moment, _slings_ are more effective then bows due to their use against armor, yes, but also their lesser emote count. In fact, there's no reason to not bring a throwing weapon rather than a bow. They're quicker to use, and they hit harder. A goblin with a rock is currently more effective then an Elf who has been practicing archery for centuries, and that is kinda sad.

 

The only events where I've seen bows be particularly useful are ones where the ET running it has dropped bows down to 2 emotes, and as for player vs player CRP, three emotes is a long time to waste to send a single arrow at somebody that might hit and might do some damage, while in 2 emotes I can throw an axe, a spear, or as I said, even a rock that'll hurt just as much.

 

Make rangers useful again, make bows a viable option for people who want to play archer-types. But thats just my opinion, what are you guys thoughts?

[satinkira 5920]

bows should be two whereas crossbows should be three

[Demented_Delila 1128]

I concur with Satinkira. Two Emotes for Bows and Three for Crossbows simply makes sense, anyways. I could three emotes for NORMAL bows if we had like, special alchemical arrows or something. 

[TheNerdocalypse 269]

it should be 3 to do a first attack, as drawing a bow should be an emote, like connecting to magic. But all attacks after should be 2 emotes as if connected to a magic.

[SimplySeo 5270]

5 minutes ago, TheNerdocalypse said:

it should be 3 to do a first attack, as drawing a bow should be an emote, like connecting to magic. But all attacks after should be 2 emotes as if connected to a magic.

I don't hate this idea

[Baccaaa 55]

Bows are 3? Thats a bit excessive imo. I think bows should be 2 as theyre relatively easy to load and fire IRL, if ure slightly adept at them obviously and as long as its not a longbow. Atleast thats what I think. Maybe 3 as someone else said if ure loading ur bow with something special that isnt a normal arrow and crossbows should definetly be 3

 

Edit: Ive only used bows ever in times its been allowed to be 2 and found it enjoyable, never got told to use it as 3 before, never knew this lol

Edited March 5 by Baccaaa

[DrHope 586]

I'd argue that lowering the bar to two emotes for archery is only the first step to fixing the sheer power gap between archery and other far more structured range systems BUT it's a good first step. As it stands, characters are practically born with armor on anyways so there's no point in having some poor longbowman stand far away from the action AND have to waste 3 emotes to a potentially useless action. 

[Unwillingly 11176]

>can carry an infinite quiver of arrows irp or however many u can carry in ur inv
>no rules that say you need irp archery experience in order to have accuracy (anyone can decide to be legolas whenever it's convenient to)
>not a lot of rules in general surrounding ranged combat, let alone bows

3 emotes is fine archers are NOT an oppressed class

edit: I voted for the wrong response **** you

[Deer__ 529]

I think 3 emotes is fine for bows. You have the advantage of being at range. You also then have the problem of a lot of different magic's base projectiles being 'arrow strength' and taking three emotes as well. What about those? Do you want those to be two-emote? I think a lot of non-magic RPers would be up in arms about being two-emote ice projectiled over and and over.

Amendment: 3 for the first 2 for anything after might be fine, because that is unironically also how void mages work. I didn't read anything else before commenting 🙂

[SimplySeo 5270]

1 minute ago, Unwillingly said:

>can carry an infinite quiver of arrows irp or however many u can carry in ur inv
>no rules that say you need irp archery experience in order to have accuracy (anyone can decide to be legolas whenever it's convenient to)
>not a lot of rules in general surrounding ranged combat, let alone bows

3 emotes is fine archers are NOT an oppressed class

1. Infinite arrows doesn't mean much when you're going to get 1 maybe 2 shots off before getting pulled into melee

 

2. Same applies to throwing weapons, crossbows, ******* ninja stars, and every other type of ranged weapon.

 

3. As is the general rule of 'roll and if its high ur prolly getting hit' has worked out well enough

 

Let my people (aragorn larpers) go

[Benleft 887]

I’ve buffed my BSK goon nest with a Templar banner and a Paladin enchant! Gashadokuro can never get past my choke point covered by a pair of archers with two-emote bows!

 

Wait, he’s right behind me, isn’t he? 
 

[SimplySeo 5270]

6 minutes ago, Deer__ said:

I think 3 emotes is fine for bows. You have the advantage of being at range. You also then have the problem of a lot of different magic's base projectiles being 'arrow strength' and taking three emotes as well. What about those? Do you want those to be two-emote? I think a lot of non-magic RPers would be up in arms about being two-emote ice projectiled over and and over.

I mean if its arrow strength then sure.

 

Templar is the only magic I've ever rlly had, besides that, I was one of those full-plate wearing non-magic RPers, archers were and are a non-threat because by the time they were able to get their shot off I was already either 1. Using a shield, 2. Behind cover, or 3, already in melee range of them or thejr buddy.

 

I would suppose the same applies to spells that are just magic arrows, especially if its a roll to hit.

Just now, Benleft said:

I’ve buffed my BSK goon nest with a Templar banner and a Paladin enchant! Gashadokuro can never get past my choke point covered by a pair of archers with two-emote bows!

So true

[Unwillingly 11176]

14 minutes ago, SimplySeo said:

1. Infinite arrows doesn't mean much when you're going to get 1 maybe 2 shots off before getting pulled into melee

 

2. Same applies to throwing weapons, crossbows, ******* ninja stars, and every other type of ranged weapon.

 

3. As is the general rule of 'roll and if its high ur prolly getting hit' has worked out well enough

 

Let my people (aragorn larpers) go

1. yes obviously if you are trying to use a RANGED weapon in a MELEE ground encounter you're not gonna be able to get many shots off. go somewhere ranged if you want to get more than a couple arrow hits. for example nevaehlen killed me fair and square once because they used bows the right way and stood on their walls and arrow spammed my inferis to death once. it's annoying but it worked, but for some reason people will stand in like a 10x10 isolated CRP encounter and complain that they can only get a couple of shots off before being attacked

2. correct, I'm also an advocate for balancing all types of ranged weaponry as well

3. people do this out of good faith, not by any enforced rule. this is also means that, considering there's no limit on how many arrows u can carry, you can just keep shooting until you roll a 20/20 and there's no real method or risk because you never have to worry about running out. u ever read hunger games bro?? katniss always worries about her arrow count!!! be like katniss!!!

[Epicethan4 271]

I would prefer if it stays three because I have Disjointed Conjuration which means I can shoot projectiles in two emotes after connection. If everyone gets to shoot bows at 2, then my relative power compared to everyone else decreases.

Edited March 5 by Epicethan4

[Cpt_Noobman 1377]

The entire rp combat system is garbage and needs a top to bottom remake