[✗] [Naztherak Amendment] Make War not Love.

[Lapidary 386]

Naztherak are descendants, with fluid human emotions that are malleable and subject to influence and change. Removing an emotional experience entirely from a character removes so much from their overall psychology, and it feels very wrong. This removes so many avenues for grief and tragedy, just think of Shakespearian romantic tragedies? There are so many avenues for fantastic storywriting that involve romantic connections. "Romance" as an emotion isn't what so many people consider "evil bad Romance roleplay", but even then this doesn't feel like a solution.

Even if this gets passed, why is it so immediate? Why not let yourself experience a slow progressive descent into madness? So many existing Naztherak already do this, because it's how they feel about their characters personally, but there's already a point of progression for Naztherak in which they lose that. Which is a choice they can make later on, that makes sense. Why push everyone else's characters into the same avenue that you feel personally? I am going to miss the demonic romantic tragedy storylines, that's for sure. 

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I don't think this adds anything to roleplay, or fixes any 'problems' that are claimed to exist. Choose who you want in your community, build it with people you like and trust. Don't try and force other people's character psychology to work how you want. Other people are making different villains, and that's good. The diversity adds fantastic flavor for good story-building. Villains should not be shells of people, they should have better reasoning than 'my magic made me crazy bad'. 

[Bonito 2264]

posting this after your darkspawn character already had kids is kinda funny

[Werew0lf 12067]

one million naztherak children must die

 

[Pancho 2545]

I genuinely don’t understand the point of this one. CA’s and certain MA’s make sense. This is just ludicrous.

[Nectorist 7424]

don’t have a dog in the fight, but redlining romance RP is notoriously hard to enforce. I think promoting good rp, of which sensible/lore-abiding romance may or may not be a part of it, is a bit of a better model. people don’t react well when their avenues of rp are closed off, but social reinforcement can often work 

 

and if it’s a case where it’s a circle of EVERYONE doing it, neglecting their CA/MA’s core purpose in the process, then that actually does become a staff issue along the lines of de facto inactivity 

[Orphvius 434]

Yeah, but I also love cursed children

[Markisstreaming 521]

add this pls it makes sense

dont play a demon guy if u want to romance

[Xarkly 12716]

This just seems like some silly vigilante stuff.

 

Obviously any "romance RP" that goes beyond a general narrative context for your character (i.e., 'this person is my spouse which dictates how I interact with them' (good) vs. RPing in a locked castle bedroom in #w for 3 hours (bad)) is weird and can/should be punished as a matter of safety. Relationships (both platonic and otherwise) are often what makes a character nuance/relatable/interesting - I find the argument of "well you shouldn't play a dark CA unless you're going to be cardboard cut-out villain" because without this nuance (which can, but does not exclusively, come from their relationships) is just silly; you're still playing a character. If your character's only traits are "rawr i'm an evil demon" then your character probably sucks.

[ThatFunkyBunch 2066]

-1 As an Inferi player I find it vital to proper demon RP, that I must watch my Warlock do Romance RP for two hours in a corner room while I just stand there on guard. 

 

@femurlord

[Jentos 6899]

I feel like ppl are a bit too much on the nose of banning any form of romance from magics. I think some CA's are more conceptually appropriate for these - while some should have entirely distinct forms of relationship that fit both culture and nature. I don't see it necessary to bar it from naztherak. However some of the statements expressed here are alarming to me.

 

What I find laudable are the people that would prefer to be disconnected from a magic than lose their ability to romance/ftb. Taking on something like necromancy or naztherak should be a heavy decision, integral to your character because it alters mind, body, and ultimately - the very soul itself. If you consider that the ability for your character to find a partner is more important than the soul-altering, demonic magic they took on, then you may wish to revise your outlook on roleplay. I know for a fact that when FTB'ing was banned on necromancy quite a few people sought out disconnection. Fine, but why is that your true priority when faced with that decision?

 

What I mean is that magic (especially something like Naz) shouldn't be something to be easily taken and cast away, but a serious decision with very real emotional, psychological, physical - and spiritual consequences, and I'm afraid that some people might take it a bit too lightly in retrospect. 

[squakhawk 8053]

This lore has been denied. 

 

Were this type of roleplay disallowed on the server it would be disallowed. While other lores are more fundamental on changing of a characters both figuratively and literally (Such as Liches, Siliti, etc.), Naztherak does retain a fundamental amount of humanity within mental effects that draw people away from it. If your concern comes from people not roleplaying the mental effects correctly, I'd consider looking more internally given the relationships (quoted as "Platonic" marriages) between characters within your own group, as example. 

 

Theres plenty of opportunity for manipulation, insider knowledge, and power grab that inherently comes from relationships, particularly ones in a more onesided manner as Naz may be more inclined to lead.

 

Even from the teams review, and the reasoning on this thread, I can find few people who advocate for the amendment, and fewer who have reasoning beyond "I dont want romance RP on the server". 

 

Thank you for your submission in any case, take it easy.