The State of LOTC

[Jihnyny 5233]

yap, yap, yap... when are we playing repo? @everyone

[Crevel 7557]

I think that this thread is evidently the result of a persistent cope that his been maintained throughout the recent politics of the Church, their allies, and the war. When Werew0lf refers to this recent surge of people being upset as an L mindset, he is entirely right. The server's political landscape has effectively enjoyed Haense and others for such a long time now being the dominant power that the change from the status quo seems like an injustice. They filled in the Empire's gap, but it's not Haense's to keep forever. In all your critiques of Werew0lf and others, you've called them disrespectful and rude, but you've never called them wrong because quite simply they are not wrong.

 

Just because losing this war has made this people upset, it does not mean that their complaints are valid. If I punch someone in the face and they punch me in the face harder, and I cry out that I've been attacked, it makes me a hypocrite - not right. People have been taking jabs at people who formed Burgundy as being infested with OOC ambition. However, I want those very same people to take a glance at those who they shared the Covenant war discord with. They'll see players who have been banned for their own involvement in metaplay but they won't rebuke them because "it's okay if my side does it!" or "yeah, but they didn't deserve it". In which I would rightfully say, if you claim that these Haense players involved in metaplay didn't deserve it, what makes you think that all these other players deserve to be accused of acting with malicious OOC intentions? I remember the last war involving Veletz, it was very specifically a war to OOCly kill their community and disperse their players because they weren't liked. Who was at the forefront of this war? Haense, and the very nations that would make up the Covenant.

 

As for Werew0lf's Raguel character, most people who complain about him are people who have never properly interacted with the character. I am also not sure how @Ryfin Chanywould have managed to learn Raguel is a Demi-Djinn in RP as they said earlier because the existence of Demi-Djinns is very rarely known. However, it's very clear that he isn't an Aengul and it'd be more reasonable to believe he is some type of darkspawn or perhaps even some patron servant of a daemon than some obscure Demi-Djinn CA. As someone who actually fought Raguel alongside the Nephilim in the Church, if it wasn't for the Nephilim and Heralds pulling out to try to take advantage of the chokepoint to try to enhance our attacks before the unknown Church gate being closed on us which stopped us from being able to press the advantage, Raguel probably would've died. I even made a post trying to encourage others to try to kill him due to him being an obstacle to my character's beliefs and goals as a servant as Azdromoth. Raguel is not an infallible character; it's a character that relies on deception for power. Werew0lf has had his Demi-Djinn CA before he was an ST, but obviously being an ST makes certain Djinn actions more convenient. When Werew0lf helped influence the map, he did it with the uniqueness of the CA and with the permission to alter lands and what not by those around him. He has not acted unjustly with his CA even if you do not personally like how he has used it. 

 

As for the war being won, this has not stopped unique ideas and groups from forming. If your group OOCly relied on the outcome of a war and you have no intention of dynamically reacting to it, that is not their fault - it is yours for not wanting to introduce it. Reinmar's tribal and Waldenic culture has been integrated into Burgundy by vassalizing them. Burgundy has not made any effort to kill off aspiring ideas and cultures, or to form a homogenous empire. Their vassals are a mixture of Heartlander, Highlander, and Farfolk cultures. I think this is a non-existent argument that only exists to try villainising them instead of having any basis in reality. If you want to make a realm or vassal with a different culture, put together a group and go for it. The only thing stopping you is your resolve and willpower. Every group will face hardships at some point, as those who formed Burgundy did, but they overcame it just like these groups could too if they had the resolve.

 

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

2 minutes ago, Crevel said:

I think that this thread is evidently the result of a persistent cope that his been maintained throughout the recent politics of the Church, their allies, and the war. When Werew0lf refers to this recent surge of people being upset as an L mindset, he is entirely right. The server's political landscape has effectively enjoyed Haense and others for such a long time now being the dominant power that the change from the status quo seems like an injustice. They filled in the Empire's gap, but it's not Haense's to keep forever. In all your critiques of Werew0lf and others, you've called them disrespectful and rude, but you've never called them wrong because quite simply they are not wrong.

 

Just because losing this war has made this people upset, it does not mean that their complaints are valid. If I punch someone in the face and they punch me in the face harder, and I cry out that I've been attacked, it makes me a hypocrite - not right. People have been taking jabs at people who formed Burgundy as being infested with OOC ambition. However, I want those very same people to take a glance at those who they shared the Covenant war discord with. They'll see players who have been banned for their own involvement in metaplay but they won't rebuke them because "it's okay if my side does it!" or "yeah, but they didn't deserve it". In which I would rightfully say, if you claim that these Haense players involved in metaplay didn't deserve it, what makes you think that all these other players deserve to be accused of acting with malicious OOC intentions? I remember the last war involving Veletz, it was very specifically a war to OOCly kill their community and disperse their players because they weren't liked. Who was at the forefront of this war? Haense, and the very nations that would make up the Covenant.

 

As for Werew0lf's Raguel character, most people who complain about him are people who have never properly interacted with the character. I am also not sure how @Ryfin Chanywould have managed to learn Raguel is a Demi-Djinn in RP as they said earlier because the existence of Demi-Djinns is very rarely known. However, it's very clear that he isn't an Aengul and it'd be more reasonable to believe he is some type of darkspawn or perhaps even some patron servant of a daemon than some obscure Demi-Djinn CA. As someone who actually fought Raguel alongside the Nephilim in the Church, if it wasn't for the Nephilim and Heralds pulling out to try to take advantage of the chokepoint to try to enhance our attacks before the unknown Church gate being closed on us which stopped us from being able to press the advantage, Raguel probably would've died. Raguel is not an infallible character; it's a character that relies on deception for power. Werew0lf has had his Demi-Djinn CA before he was an ST, but obviously being an ST makes certain Djinn actions more convenient. When Werew0lf helped influence the map, he did it with the uniqueness of the CA and with the permission to alter lands and what not by those around him. He has not acted unjustly with his CA even if you do not personally like how he has used it. 

 

As for the war being won, this has not stopped unique ideas and groups from forming. If your group OOCly relied on the outcome of a war and you have no intention of dynamically reacting to it, that is not their fault - it is yours for not wanting to introduce it. Reinmar's tribal and Waldenic culture has been integrated into Burgundy by vassalizing them. Burgundy has not made any effort to kill off aspiring ideas and cultures, or to form a homogenous empire. Their vassals are a mixture of Heartlander, Highlander, and Farfolk cultures. I think this is a non-existent argument that only exists to try villainising them instead of having any basis in reality. If you want to make a realm or vassal with a different culture, put together a group and go for it. The only thing stopping you is your resolve and willpower. Every group will face hardships at some point, as those who formed Burgundy did, but they overcame it just like these groups could too if they had the resolve.

 

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

 

wake up new churchslop copypasta just dropped

[Metamancy 1759]

@Werew0lfhow DARE you roleplay as an ST!!!! That's NOT allowed!!!! WE'RE supposed to have fun, NOT you!!!! And I am NOT having fun because MY mineman block character is the main character!!! how DARE you bully the main character!!!!!!

 

Spoiler

shut the **** up guys this is stupid

 

[NightOfTheWind 3226]

@LoxyTheReindeer@Ryfin Chany
I think ur both going through what I went through as a new player. i played lotc during a rough time starting out and felt like i had the illusion of control with my narrative. fact of the matter is u dont and u kinda gotta roll w/ the punches sometimes, thats ok cuz thats just the way ur supposed to play lotc and i dont think a lot of ppl understand that. obvs when unfair things happen (they happen a lot) its ok to call them out but I think ur saying a lot of things like they're facts when they're more opinionated. (there is no wii)

U loxy seem to be going through a hard time irl and i dont think u should use lotc as an escapism. its a very bad mentality cuz lotc is the kind of place where you have an illusion of control, some players who have played for multiple years still dont understand this btw. for you yeetboy i think you should also think about that the server has also taken its inspiration from a lot of different things as well, including even itself which is a great thing (you should check out the shadow of israphel series if u dont know what that is very popular discontinued minecraft series that got a lot of ppl into minecraft rp).

this is coming from someone thats rp'd pretty much everywhere from the pvp goons to the slice of life rpers and in multiple communities and not everywhere is going to make u feel welcome. one part of the server is completely and entirely different from another and it can shock players when they come into contact with this new 'alien world' and just say 'this is not how ur supposed to play'. truth is everyone can play how they want to, and thats why the server is epiccc
 i dont fault the both of u for ur opinions unlike some other ppl may in this thread, as i said i went through a similar thing. u just gotta take the good w/ the bad and the only REAL definite way to play the server is to close the forums, close discord, load minecraft and just play. 

[gremlockgremlin 755]

Real opinion tho. I think lotc should stop cater towards lowtier google translate rp where an american butchers a european language because "we are fantasy x nation". I believe that the niche rp communties like dwarves should reform to a state where female community members are not ostracized for wanting a more relaxed rp enviroment where it is not just "we kill others or ourselves". The lotc community is not welcomming to even the people who try to be better at rp. But alas I have quiet quit already and now I will return to where I belong. The hospital bed. 

[Benleft 2579]

Just now, NightOfTheWind said:

- snip - nya nya ~~

Also a demi-djinn like raguel werew0lf the pvper btw

[NightOfTheWind 3226]

Just now, Benleft said:

Also a demi-djinn like raguel werew0lf the pvper btw

whats that 

[Crevel 7557]

6 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

wake up new churchslop copypasta just dropped

 

If you want to be on Lore Team, you're going to need to be accustomed to reading slop. You will read my slop and spread the word that people are being sore losers.

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

9 minutes ago, Crevel said:

I think that this thread is evidently the result of a persistent cope that his been maintained throughout the recent politics of the Church, their allies, and the war. When Werew0lf refers to this recent surge of people being upset as an L mindset, he is entirely right. The server's political landscape has effectively enjoyed Haense and others for such a long time now being the dominant power that the change from the status quo seems like an injustice. They filled in the Empire's gap, but it's not Haense's to keep forever. In all your critiques of Werew0lf and others, you've called them disrespectful and rude, but you've never called them wrong because quite simply they are not wrong.

 

Just because losing this war has made this people upset, it does not mean that their complaints are valid. If I punch someone in the face and they punch me in the face harder, and I cry out that I've been attacked, it makes me a hypocrite - not right. People have been taking jabs at people who formed Burgundy as being infested with OOC ambition. However, I want those very same people to take a glance at those who they shared the Covenant war discord with. They'll see players who have been banned for their own involvement in metaplay but they won't rebuke them because "it's okay if my side does it!" or "yeah, but they didn't deserve it". In which I would rightfully say, if you claim that these Haense players involved in metaplay didn't deserve it, what makes you think that all these other players deserve to be accused of acting with malicious OOC intentions? I remember the last war involving Veletz, it was very specifically a war to OOCly kill their community and disperse their players because they weren't liked. Who was at the forefront of this war? Haense, and the very nations that would make up the Covenant.

 

As for Werew0lf's Raguel character, most people who complain about him are people who have never properly interacted with the character. I am also not sure how @Ryfin Chanywould have managed to learn Raguel is a Demi-Djinn in RP as they said earlier because the existence of Demi-Djinns is very rarely known. However, it's very clear that he isn't an Aengul and it'd be more reasonable to believe he is some type of darkspawn or perhaps even some patron servant of a daemon than some obscure Demi-Djinn CA. As someone who actually fought Raguel alongside the Nephilim in the Church, if it wasn't for the Nephilim and Heralds pulling out to try to take advantage of the chokepoint to try to enhance our attacks before the unknown Church gate being closed on us which stopped us from being able to press the advantage, Raguel probably would've died. I even made a post trying to encourage others to try to kill him due to him being an obstacle to my character's beliefs and goals as a servant as Azdromoth. Raguel is not an infallible character; it's a character that relies on deception for power. Werew0lf has had his Demi-Djinn CA before he was an ST, but obviously being an ST makes certain Djinn actions more convenient. When Werew0lf helped influence the map, he did it with the uniqueness of the CA and with the permission to alter lands and what not by those around him. He has not acted unjustly with his CA even if you do not personally like how he has used it. 

 

As for the war being won, this has not stopped unique ideas and groups from forming. If your group OOCly relied on the outcome of a war and you have no intention of dynamically reacting to it, that is not their fault - it is yours for not wanting to introduce it. Reinmar's tribal and Waldenic culture has been integrated into Burgundy by vassalizing them. Burgundy has not made any effort to kill off aspiring ideas and cultures, or to form a homogenous empire. Their vassals are a mixture of Heartlander, Highlander, and Farfolk cultures. I think this is a non-existent argument that only exists to try villainising them instead of having any basis in reality. If you want to make a realm or vassal with a different culture, put together a group and go for it. The only thing stopping you is your resolve and willpower. Every group will face hardships at some point, as those who formed Burgundy did, but they overcame it just like these groups could too if they had the resolve.

 

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

If you want me to explain, Estevot spoke with people with far more experience and knowledge than him who said Raguel was likely not a real Aengul, due to his behavior and actions not fitting the normal rules of Aenguls. Apologies for being vague, didn’t want to metaplay.

[Benleft 2579]

Just now, NightOfTheWind said:

whats that 

 

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

1 minute ago, Benleft said:

 

lol why have I not seen this video until now? 

[Haseroth 1740]

I will make a serious post for once. But i honestly think this is just LOTC. You have to realize, loxy and co that me, tide1 and company were effectively on the run and in hiding but a year ago. We had lost everything and were an endangered species. Through a lot of effort and roleplay we managed to pull ourselves out from being literally nothing, to finally turning the tide of things around.

Raguel DID help, i will not deny that. But by and large it was the willpower of a people who has won the day. A people who in-story had been nearly wiped out just before that. THis is the greatest turn around i have ever personally witnessed on this server and its amazing that i got to witness this. Even if you hate our guts you have to agree this is impressive.

I personally had a lot of fun playing canonius, and to see this wretch go from plotting to enacting ultimate vengeance SUCCESFULLY is incredible. I also want to give props to other people who have provided a enjoyable experience through out. Both as opps or friends. People like @Xarkly@milksodaand @Orlanth

Anyways. This is literally just one phase of the many dozen phased cycle of LOTC. The wheel will keep turning and eventually the evil veletzers will be morphed or overthrown before rising again 100 years later.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

7 minutes ago, Crevel said:

14 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

wake up new churchslop copypasta just dropped

 

If you want to be on Lore Team, you're going to need to be accustomed to reading slop. You will read my slop and spread the word that people are being sore losers.

so trve AVE DARK RED NATION

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

Now I want to see Jenny prank Raguel like Tom and Jerry lol