The State of LOTC

[libertyybelle 6187]

this might be controversial, but as a prominent figure in haense when it fell, ive really enjoyed my roleplay since it happened regardless. of course it is sad, and i will always be a haense player, but i get to experience something new. im not 100% thrilled about the ooc aspects but for something i was so afraid of, it certainly was not bad.

 

i was also a steady orenian player for years before it fell, and i was devastated as well but ended up loving haense just as much if not more.

 

lotc is about change, nothing stays the same. oren was around for just as long if not longer than haense and that also was destroyed. it happens. nothing is immune to the cycle just like irl. 

 

if you are genuinely getting bothered by things that are happening, thats always a sign for me its time for me to take a hiatus. part of the fun of lotc is being apart of a bigger narrative that you are not always going to control and thats okay. sometimes its okay to be done for a few months and then come back - i personally am always better when i do.

[wowj 9747]

any mention on this page about djinn got reported btw you're all gonna be checked for metagaming and banned anyways

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

2 minutes ago, wowj said:

any mention on this page about djinn got reported btw you're all gonna be checked for metagaming and banned anyways

Bro I just explained that I learned it IRPly from conversations with other people before the Robertine crusade. Please tell me this is a joke.

[Trekker Falchion 51]

I've read a lot of valid counterpoints in these comments and I love seeing all these viewpoints, it helps me understand things better, so i'm gonna add mine. I've seen some people say to detach yourself from your character, and I can understand how some people find that better, but to me, when I play this character I am them, I don't want to be some kid sitting behind their screen typing on a keyboard, I want to be an adunian, having fun, talking with people, crying when things are sad and tough, because if I am not my character I cannot find the fun in playing on this server, and while I love this server it becomes very hard to see my character happy when (now) two of his home nations have crumbled, I love this server but it really just feels like im being driven out of home after home, I want to be able to settle down in a nation for at least an actual real life year before it crumbles, not two weeks in a new place only for it to get invaded and taken over while I go on a slight break.

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

7 minutes ago, Trekker Falchion said:

I've read a lot of valid counterpoints in these comments and I love seeing all these viewpoints, it helps me understand things better, so i'm gonna add mine. I've seen some people say to detach yourself from your character, and I can understand how some people find that better, but to me, when I play this character I am them, I don't want to be some kid sitting behind their screen typing on a keyboard, I want to be an adunian, having fun, talking with people, crying when things are sad and tough, because if I am not my character I cannot find the fun in playing on this server, and while I love this server it becomes very hard to see my character happy when (now) two of his home nations have crumbled, I love this server but it really just feels like im being driven out of home after home, I want to be able to settle down in a nation for at least an actual real life year before it crumbles, not two weeks in a new place only for it to get invaded and taken over while I go on a slight break.

Honestly, a lot of what you said is how I feel. I'd like to add that for me, personally, it gets hard to separate yourself from your character due to how one rolepalys. For some it's less of just writing a character so much as it is acting as one, and as a theatre kid, I was taught that good acting always comes from real emotions, so I allow myself to feel how my character would feel in order to make the roleplay feel real. But at the same time, it then means that if my character just gets no breaks and is punished again and again and again for things far out of their control, it starts to make one feel burnout and want to just give up playing. A character doesn't have to be a main character, but in a roleplay server like this, when it feels like a character has no real ability to make meaningful decision is when one starts to feel like they'd be better off just leaving the server, which may be how a lot of people who left felt. Or maybe not, maybe I'm just stupid. Idk.

[Borin 7645]

8 hours ago, LordCrowe said:

Unfortunately, the impetus doesn't seem to be there, so unless the ST are willing to organize some sort of political world event out of it, any attempt at starting such a movement would be a small group that gets instantly crushed for heresy...

Any suggestion of staff having any control over the direction of the Canonist Church is horrendous and a reason why Canonism and the Canonist Church etc etc isn't bound to lore and ST etc. Not happening. lol.

 

The Canonist Church and Canonist Faith is and has always to my understanding been simply player-driven. Not beholden or reliant on staff and big world events with magic morons and bla bla bla. And it never will be, and any attempt to make it so is absolutely mental and completely out of the question.

Kindly sod off.
 

[SethWolf 2340]

We salted the Earth of Veletz in roleplay which at the time was understood to basically be a capital 'G' genocide and no one, and I mean no one batted an eye. 

 

The Holy League has basically bent over backwards to do the opposite in comparison. You want to complain about 'nations being destroyed'? They could have continued the way we did and dismantled every occupied city/castle to the foundation if they wanted to, but they didn't. 

 

I have played in Haense since I joined and yeah, it sucks to say goodbye to the place that gave me my start but you get over these things. Nothing good can ever last forever and it's not that deep. The world will keep turning.

[kujo_ 2510]

1 hour ago, Ryfin Chany said:

For some it's less of just writing a character so much as it is acting as one, and as a theatre kid, I was taught that good acting always comes from real emotions, so I allow myself to feel how my character would feel in order to make the roleplay feel real. But at the same time, it then means that if my character just gets no breaks and is punished again and again and again for things far out of their control, it starts to make one feel burnout and want to just give up playing.

 

i dont mean this as an insult, but it sounds like you're mixing up getting into character with letting the character become you (self-inserting/projecting/wtv you wanna call it). character bleed is a problem that also happens in theater, often solved by taking a step back. and taking a step back is not trying to start a new nation, thats maybe the last thing you should be doing to yourself. please consider taking a break like others have said and reflecting on what you get out of this place, see if theres another way to get that fulfillment, theres a 90% chance the answer is yes. using lotc as an escape will just make your life worse, the short term dopamine is not worth it

[Pancho 4197]

1 hour ago, Borin said:

Any suggestion of staff having any control over the direction of the Canonist Church is horrendous and a reason why Canonism and the Canonist Church etc etc isn't bound to lore and ST etc. Not happening. lol.

 

green tag using his ca to control the actions of the church says what

[rep2k 3192]

Server is enjoyable wym

[Laeonathan 5889]

Any player can get a powerful CA. Werewolf wrote the lore. Maybe write smth cool yourself? Djinn interactions were awrsome for me ngl.

 

The nation Sailor and I (and many others), Celia'nor, remade got destroyed. So what? I still play. The way Celianor went is not how I wanted. 

 

So what? Im playing in Adria and Cauróst now. Two lovely places.

[Borin 7645]

31 minutes ago, Pancho said:

green tag using his ca to control the actions of the church says what

 

Ur reaching pancho, get away you gremlin

[____Spectral____ 168]

10 hours ago, LoxyTheReindeer said:

Before I even begin, I want to make it clear that I'm not attacking anyone with this post. This is just a collection of my observations in my year of playing on the server, and an invitation to everyone else on the forums to add their opinions and discuss freely. And because I know it'll come up- I'm not talking about metaplay in this post. While that is a whole other issue that is incredibly nuanced and important, it's not what I'm focusing on right now. What I want to talk about is the state of LOTC as a whole.

LOTC has not been enjoyable for a lot of people, myself included, for many months. And ignoring the monster that is OOC and metaplay, I think the main reason why can be boiled down to one simple sentence.

Realism vs Enjoyment.

There is a reason that when a studio sits down to make a video game or animate a show that viewer/player enjoyment comes first. Real life is depressing, boring. We watch these shows and play these games to escape from real life. So, when realism comes before the enjoyment of the player base in a Minecraft server such as this- you're left with a lot of people who don't particularly want to play anymore. And I know I'm not alone in that sentiment. Yes, it's realistic for empires to rise and fall as they have done so over the course of history. It's realistic for wars to be waged over religion and even more realistic for these wars to raise up said empires. But you know what it isn't? Fun. It isn't fun to only have six nations to choose from when you finally get whitelisted to play on the server: with most of them being canonist human nations. It isn't fun to have your community destroyed over an extremely unfair feeling reason and not be able to do anything about it. Nor is it fun to try and create something new, and immediately have it squashed by the largest nations on the map simply not wanting something else to flourish. 

 

Despite how realistic that all may be based on historical empires- none of it is enjoyable for the playerbase that has to suffer as a result of it. I am not alone in saying that these problems are affecting the enjoyment I get out of the server- I know many people who either already have, plan to leave because of it, or simply don't find their time on LOTC enjoyed anymore. People who spend hours venting or arguing because they feel like they're not allowed to do what brings them happiness on this server anymore. Because they're not one of fifteen people with the power to change something. because if they try, they'll be persecuted into oblivion. Yes, this is realistic to real life. No, it's not fun. For anyone. Fun conflict is dramatic and directed with intent of creating conflict that's fun for both sides. Not conflict that only serves to deepen one sides pockets or further their regime. Again, yes, it's realistic. But when it happens again, and again, and again, it's frustrating and boring.

We've had two megawars between the exact same people on either side, and more than 10 nations erased off the face of the map. All within the span of a year. More nations are dying than can be raised up, and more unique ideas and builds and communities are being erased by the day. All for the sake of an empire that more than half of the server doesn't want nor believe in. We're a high fantasy server with lots of unique races to play and magics to obtain, yet 90% of the nation's available are canonist and human, which persecute these other races. This isn't okay; it isn't sustainable.

I'm asking everyone on the Mod and Admin teams to ask themselves this, and to have a long conversation about it; Is this what you want for the server? Is this the future you want for LOTC? Because if it is, you will likely see server activity decrease substantially by new map. You will see so many people quit, and they will not return unless major changes are made.
Please take my words into consideration. And again; I'm not attacking anyone with this post. I just want to open this up for discussion, because this can of worms is long overdue for being opened and picked apart. Please keep your comments and discussion respectful towards all parties. And thank you for reading.

Dang no way, someone actually concerned about canonist nations map painting on Aevos, that's been happening for a long time now, and they do own the server, so I wish good luck to you for talking about this

[monkeypoacher 8053]

everyone involved in creating this TNO little dark age edit 'burgundy' nation should feel ashamed. please for once have an original thought

[Pancho 4197]

25 minutes ago, Borin said:

Ur reaching pancho, get away you gremlin

is it really reaching if thats exactly whats happening?